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regulars welcome welcome guys really do

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appreciate you being here

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um we've got a lot to cover tonight and

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a really cool story about a possible Tic

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to be talking about that mysterious

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207 with our special guest tonight so

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let's just bring them in and get things

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started here at somewhere in the live

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stream so without further Ado Josh

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welcome back to somewhere in the skies

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and somewhere in the live stream my

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thank you for having me

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um by the way

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intro that was awesome you've done some

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amazing work and I'm happy to be here my

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favorite topic thanks for having me man

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my my pleasure

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um well you know kind of the reason I I

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finding some absolute gems you know we

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some of the stories we'd be talking

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about tonight

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um they're very diverse a lot going on

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in the UFO World it uh never lets down

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it's been a uh interesting beginning of

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the year so um let's let's start with a

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species the tardigrades are back and

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um so I'm going to go ahead and read

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this quick a new species of tardigrade

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indestructible than the already

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formidable creatures known to survive

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beast in tribute to a villain from Harry

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Potter uh and for any of our viewers and

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whatnot that don't know tardigrades are

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Apocalypse uh the part the particularly

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hearty new species has been named

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Jazz complete dehydration as well as

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revolutionize everything from medicine

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tardigrades but now we've discovered a

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whole story Jess I I love the story

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um I will just tell you my wife is a

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huge and he's in the chat tonight a huge

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fan of grades to the point that and I

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Valentine's Day this year as a present I

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of a charter grade that said stay tiny

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and she's a huge Charter grade fan and

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yeah this one I I wish they had given us

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more info about where they found it but

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these creatures are amazing they've been

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put out in the vacuum of space for a

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long period of time exposed to radiation

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from the Sun and you bring them and they

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they look like they die but you bring

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back into a favorable environment

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and they wake up again and they

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reproduce you know and I know there's a

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lot of research going on it's like could

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we figure that out but here's the

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you're the host

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is that a good thing

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you you do yeah I want people to live

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forever if we figure out what the

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tardigrades are doing or would that be

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deconstructive or

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bad in the long run for Humanity if

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nobody dies then what do you do about

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population control what are your

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thoughts on that that is such a good

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that like I was reading the other day

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um about how the life expectancy in the

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world is is changing you know now it's

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like 90 years old is like going to

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become the new kind of average age

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um and I I might have read that wrong

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but that sounds about right

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um you know in it all has to do with

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um you know where you come from your

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your unfortunately you know the level of

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poverty you're in um in terms of like

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what medicines are available this that

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this that there's so many ethical

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understand the tardigrade and we were

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able to just like you know survive

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pretty much anything at this point and

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become almost what do they call those

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extreme files I believe they're called

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well extremophiles don't necessarily

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live forever this is more like

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immortality really yeah

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survive anything and go on but why would

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you keep producing more people right

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very good point I know it really does

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beg a lot of questions

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um as many of the stories do that you

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and I look into every day yes yeah you

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know everyone in the chat is saying the

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tardigrades are so cute they really are

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they they almost look like a um like a a

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um and now that they're they're naming

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it after a famous Harry Potter villain I

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think just gives it so much more um I

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don't know it makes it more magical in

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so many words I guess the science that

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both of us cover and we cover all the

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time over the debrief we're finding out

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question a lot of the assumptions we had

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about well basically just physics in

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general but everything you know it it

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much about the Universe I I think I find

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all these things fascinating and

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everybody at the debrief and you

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contribute there too I know

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um you know they explore all these

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questions and the tardigrades might have

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maybe some hints for us about things

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that we really should be thinking about

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yeah absolutely I I feel like we're only

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beginning to truly understand what they

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are uh and obviously where they come

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what we will become or or have been or I

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I'm just uh science never ceases too

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amazing yeah it's fascinating but if I

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look like that dude on the screen I

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trust you you know if I was single I'm

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not getting any dates but all right okay

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moving on right right okay let's move on

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to our next story Jazz

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um this is a fun science One to begin

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with but we're gonna get right into UFOs

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and this is really really cool this

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touches on a cultural aspect of UFOs

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that I want to get your thoughts on um

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but let me read this quick UFO sightings

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putting rule Japan community on

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Intergalactic map so a rural community

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in northeastern Japan known for numerous

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UFO sightings is promoting itself as a

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quote home to aliens in a bid to

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revitalize its local economy and put

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itself on The Intergalactic map by

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displaying its many pieces of UFO

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paraphernalia and holding events that

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appeal to enthusiasts

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um in inomachi once prosperous through

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silk production and weaving Industries

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hopes to build a new future by drawing

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visitors with a passion for the

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residents believe they live in a UFO

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hotspot and speak of repeated

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appearances of unknown luminous flying

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objects over the past four decades near

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the area formally categorized as the

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town of Inu and integrated into the city

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of Fukushima in 2008 as a dwindling

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population population of some 5 000

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um let's see here just a little bit more

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on this visitors to inamachi cannot

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avoid having close encounters with ET

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life everywhere including a ufo-shaped

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street light across the whole town bus

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stops flags and even an alien statue the

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UFO federicon museum opened halfway up

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the mountain in 1992 to display around 3

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000 books photos and other resources

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related to aliens and UFOs um you can

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see in the images here guys if you're

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watching this on YouTube of the museum

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so in 2021 the international UFO lab

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which collects and disseminates UFO

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sighting reports to its members around

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the world was established in inamachi

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the group said Global interest in UFOs

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made a Resurgence after the U.S Navy

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videos went viral so

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this is what amazes me Jazz you know

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this post 2017 ufology

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um that kind of really ignited in the

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United States is now having a ripple

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effect around the world

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um you know once we established uh the

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UAP task force and stuff like that other

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countries started doing the same and now

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we're seeing it trickle down into like

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actual economics in other countries

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um like this small role community in

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Japan is now hoping to revitalize by

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using the UFO quote-unquote meme as it

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were so yeah what do you make of this

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um I went and looked into this and

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apparently there were a lot of reports

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for that specific area of people who had

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seen strange and unusual things like we

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hear all around the world

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at the same time the entire focus of the

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article

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was how they were

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sort of

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capitalizing on this and attempting to

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monetize it and sadly I I had a note and

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I don't have it but I bet you know

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because of all your research do you

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recall one of the earliest UFO incidents

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that has shown up in so many

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documentaries in Texas where a craft

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supposedly crashed into a windmill in

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Texas and destroyed it you remember that

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one I'm talking about Aurora Texas yep

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Aurora Texas there you go thank you

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um

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there were people who came out later and

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you you can find the Articles out there

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that said that that whole thing may not

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have had a lot of substance to it

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and during that era there was a lot of

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what was known as yellow journalism and

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that town

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was suffering from

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you know losing population because an

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anticipated railroad That was supposed

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to go right through Aurora had wound up

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going very far to the North and the town

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was dying off and there were claims

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unsubstantiated admittedly that that

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whole story was made up by officials

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there because they were trying to draw

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people there to get the economy going

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again and

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I I don't want to be the unpopular guy

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in the room but when I read that article

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that you just read

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for the viewers

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I started thinking wow this sounds like

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a place that's been decreasing in

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population and they're trying to have

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more economic activity their Town's kind

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of dying

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and won't that raise questions at least

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in some people's minds like are you

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overplaying this to try to build a

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museum and get people to come in and and

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rebuild things so I'm not sure how

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helpful this story is really because it

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does kind of sound like well yeah

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there's been a lot of reports but we've

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got this whole museum we want you to

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come and you have this thing you can

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join for x amount of dollars for a year

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and you can be part of the club and

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there's t-shirts and all that

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I don't know it it makes me wonder it's

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like are they serious and even if they

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are serious will people look at that

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story and go oh you're just trying to

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pump up your town and make more money

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yeah so I I I kind of have mixed

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feelings about it I do too you know and

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this is kind of the struggle I always

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have with like Roswell too like there

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was a Roswell uh conference last week

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there's one in the next two weeks then

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there's going to be more in July

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actually in Roswell and like the mother

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of all cases chance Roswell

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um but at the same time like you go to

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Main Street in Roswell New Mexico and

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it's just gift shop after gift shop

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after gift shop and then you know the

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the Roswell UFO Festival in July brings

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in like tens of thousands of people just

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boosts the economy and and basically

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it's what Roswell survives on for the

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whole year is that like one Festival in

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July um so even like the big one Roswell

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of all things um I feel like is Falls

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victim to this too uh but you know you

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hear this in the cryptic world too

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whether it's like Mothman employee

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Mothman and Silver Bridge they have a

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huge Festival every year it's a huge

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part of their economy it doesn't mean

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something weird didn't happen the

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story's been around forever but they've

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definitely tried to capitalize on it

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right so and I think if you're a skeptic

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you can look at that and go oh you're

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trying to make money you know yeah it's

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tough I know I know and and I I feel

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like yes this is definitely an example

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of that

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um but at the same time I'm like you're

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right I I this is a highly active area

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when it comes to UFOs

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yeah the reports as well so yeah it's

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crazy when something legitimate and real

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does happen and then that Snowball

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Effect after like are they now gonna

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start uh spreading rumors that the UFOs

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are back or are they going to pull like

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a Stephen Greer and start shooting off

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flares and saying oh we're vectoring in

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the UFOs I I don't know I I hope that's

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not the case but um the museum looks

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cool I'm not gonna lie

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I would definitely go there I would I

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would absolutely go I would pay the

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money yeah I would go see it I would go

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see it yeah interesting story

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nonetheless but you're right like does

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it does it add to the credibility of the

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topic or doesn't it hey if it gets a few

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more eyes on the topic some young kid

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goes into that Museum and starts doing

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research awesome

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um if they end up getting a t-shirt on

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the way out that's a whole different

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story but um yeah no still I mean it's

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it's like is that kid going to be the

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next Ryan's break he's like yeah I

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didn't just get the T-shirt I saw the

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thing and maybe he's gonna go check it

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out or she you know so who knows

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who knows who knows it's an evolving

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story we'll see how this small town does

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in the future

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um well let's move on to this next story

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Jazz this is an interesting one

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um and kind of went under the radar I

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didn't hear much about this

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um on like UFO Twitter and stuff but

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this is titled the UAP PTSD and injuries

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are on the rise and organizations are

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forming to help victims uh so I'm sure a

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lot of our viewers recognize the two

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faces on our screen right now if you're

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watching this on YouTube if you're just

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listening on the future podcast version

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of this guys I highly suggest coming

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over to YouTube we got a lot of visuals

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for you to go with these stories um but

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let me go ahead and read a little bit of

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this a recent study on the effects of

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UAP experiences from sightings to alien

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contact to abductions found that many of

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the encounters caused physical and

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psychological symptoms ranging from

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headaches and nausea to anxiety and

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sleep disturbance disturbance to mental

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trauma resembling post-traumatic stress

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disorder fortunately an organization has

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been formed to help medical

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professionals diagnose and treat those

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who whose stress is caused by UAP

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encounters Ted Rowe is the co-founder

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and executive director of the National

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Aviation Reporting Center

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um on anomalous phenomena or narcap as

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many of us know it which documents and

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analyzes Aviation safety related

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encounters with UAP Roe says he's met

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enough of these Witnesses and

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experiencers like himself he's also an

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experiencer those with symptoms of

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trauma to recognize a disturbing Trend

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uh this is a quote from Ted Rowe

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actually

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quote I started noticing people in these

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groups and they were all having trouble

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I tried to join some experiencer groups

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and uh there's a lot of sickness in

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there but there's but that's where

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people go because they're desperate you

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know it's all in their psychology and

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whether they have the discipline to hold

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to the reality of what they went through

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so I'm worried about them and I realize

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that the mental health and medical

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community was not at all prepared to

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deal with this

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um

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he goes on this inspired Roe to create

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his own support organization the UAP

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medical Coalition or uapmc its Charter

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is to assist medical and mental health

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professionals with information and case

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studies on people dealing with trauma

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from various UAP experiences and share

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the types of therapy and counseling that

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work to relieve it and the other person

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on the screen there Jazz we all know is

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Gary Nolan Dr Gary Rowan from Stanford

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University and he has kind of been

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looking into this stuff I mean shouldn't

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say kind of he has I mean he's literally

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working with people who have had these

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experiences and literally studying their

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brains in everything very interesting

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um

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and he thinks this is a great idea what

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Ted Rowe is doing he said quote I have

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counseled more than a dozen academics on

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how to talk about this how to walk that

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fine line how to address those who

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challenge you and in what common areas

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the rhetoric and the verbiage best used

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and most accepted as well as how to

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present it

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um and the one thing Nolan and Roe seem

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to agree on is that neither they nor

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other researchers can pinpoint which

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part of the UFO or Alien Encounter has

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caused the PTSD symptoms

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really really interesting story what do

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you make of all this shows

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well you and I discussed that I'll let

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the cat out of the bag behind the scenes

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you and I discussed this beforehand and

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you understand and I appreciate you

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understanding it is a touchy subject

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yeah I mean it absolutely is

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um when we discuss PTSD and the topic

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that you and I are addressing today and

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that everyone's interested in

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there there there's a very uncomfortable

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kind of backwash wash over between I

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grew up in a home with a man who

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suffered from one of the most severe

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cases of PTSD you could ever imagine but

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it was before anyone knew what PTSD was

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my father was in World War II he killed

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a lot of people and he came home and he

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was completely changed forever and it

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was dramatic in our house that's carried

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on for Generations but at the same time

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it's not limited to military people I

551
00:25:07,549 --> 00:25:04,500
mean PTSD

552
00:25:09,649 --> 00:25:07,559
applies to so many areas how many

553
00:25:12,529 --> 00:25:09,659
stories do we hear from people who were

554
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:12,539
Victor victims of sexual assault of so

555
00:25:17,090 --> 00:25:14,880
many other terrible things and that

556
00:25:21,529 --> 00:25:17,100
carries on with them and they need help

557
00:25:23,870 --> 00:25:21,539
and they very often do not get it I I do

558
00:25:25,370 --> 00:25:23,880
not have a hard time imagining

559
00:25:27,310 --> 00:25:25,380
particularly with all the stories that

560
00:25:29,750 --> 00:25:27,320
you've told of people who have had

561
00:25:32,450 --> 00:25:29,760
encounters sometimes damaging encounters

562
00:25:34,250 --> 00:25:32,460
if you talk to the experiencers who you

563
00:25:37,130 --> 00:25:34,260
know claim abduction and things like

564
00:25:38,870 --> 00:25:37,140
that that yeah you could have PTSD from

565
00:25:40,190 --> 00:25:38,880
that and

566
00:25:43,850 --> 00:25:40,200
I mean

567
00:25:46,010 --> 00:25:43,860
I didn't from my own my wife and I's

568
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:46,020
personal experiences with UFOs

569
00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:48,960
but yeah a lot of people have much more

570
00:25:52,190 --> 00:25:51,120
alarming experiences

571
00:25:53,870 --> 00:25:52,200
so

572
00:25:56,149 --> 00:25:53,880
I don't you you can't really question

573
00:25:58,370 --> 00:25:56,159
this in my opinion if you didn't

574
00:26:00,289 --> 00:25:58,380
experience it yourself there's a lot of

575
00:26:01,430 --> 00:26:00,299
people that do need help and and these

576
00:26:06,289 --> 00:26:01,440
people seem to be trying to do something

577
00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:06,299
to legitimately help people and I saw

578
00:26:11,090 --> 00:26:09,120
some really incredible stuff but maybe

579
00:26:13,010 --> 00:26:11,100
because I had such a messed up life I'd

580
00:26:14,330 --> 00:26:13,020
already seen a bunch of other things if

581
00:26:17,950 --> 00:26:14,340
you see something that comes out of the

582
00:26:20,810 --> 00:26:17,960
blue that just upsets your entire

583
00:26:23,090 --> 00:26:20,820
understanding of the world around you of

584
00:26:26,090 --> 00:26:23,100
your reality yeah that could be

585
00:26:27,049 --> 00:26:26,100
definitely traumatic so no I I think

586
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:27,059
it's a good thing what they're doing

587
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:29,520
really because they're it's probably

588
00:26:34,250 --> 00:26:32,159
lower in number Than People experience

589
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:34,260
war and and the other things we

590
00:26:39,649 --> 00:26:38,400
discussed but yeah I I totally approve

591
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:39,659
of this and I don't think it's a bad

592
00:26:44,930 --> 00:26:42,720
thing at all yeah and I mean and I'm

593
00:26:47,090 --> 00:26:44,940
glad Ted Rowe brought up the idea of

594
00:26:49,070 --> 00:26:47,100
like these support groups that kind of

595
00:26:51,649 --> 00:26:49,080
form around quote unquote like alien

596
00:26:54,710 --> 00:26:51,659
abductees and whatnot like I've been in

597
00:26:56,570 --> 00:26:54,720
those rooms and it can be very

598
00:26:59,870 --> 00:26:56,580
very hard

599
00:27:04,909 --> 00:26:59,880
um because oh part of you wants so much

600
00:27:07,370 --> 00:27:04,919
to believe that uh or not believe that

601
00:27:08,930 --> 00:27:07,380
this phenomenon is real

602
00:27:10,250 --> 00:27:08,940
um but at the same time you don't want

603
00:27:11,630 --> 00:27:10,260
it to be real because you don't want

604
00:27:13,250 --> 00:27:11,640
that person to have suffered

605
00:27:15,529 --> 00:27:13,260
traumatically

606
00:27:18,769 --> 00:27:15,539
um through an experience like that and

607
00:27:20,690 --> 00:27:18,779
it's such a struggle and and then you

608
00:27:22,610 --> 00:27:20,700
get to the whole other layer of like

609
00:27:25,490 --> 00:27:22,620
those support groups of like are they

610
00:27:28,269 --> 00:27:25,500
enabling one another are they like is

611
00:27:31,250 --> 00:27:28,279
this all some sort of uh

612
00:27:32,810 --> 00:27:31,260
sociological experiment gone wrong um

613
00:27:34,130 --> 00:27:32,820
and I don't personally believe that I

614
00:27:37,010 --> 00:27:34,140
believe there's a core phenomenon

615
00:27:38,750 --> 00:27:37,020
happening when it comes to UFOs and and

616
00:27:41,149 --> 00:27:38,760
I don't believe it but I I don't deny

617
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:41,159
there might be an element of that among

618
00:27:45,289 --> 00:27:43,440
some people with their own agendas yeah

619
00:27:46,490 --> 00:27:45,299
I think that that could be possible

620
00:27:49,070 --> 00:27:46,500
right

621
00:27:51,529 --> 00:27:49,080
um so you know at this point in my my

622
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:51,539
world of UFOs

623
00:27:55,370 --> 00:27:53,279
um I don't really

624
00:27:57,409 --> 00:27:55,380
tell people who come to me and say I've

625
00:28:00,169 --> 00:27:57,419
been abducted or I've had a close

626
00:28:01,549 --> 00:28:00,179
encounter should I go see a like a

627
00:28:04,070 --> 00:28:01,559
hypnotherapist like that's not really

628
00:28:06,830 --> 00:28:04,080
something I recommend anymore I did in

629
00:28:09,169 --> 00:28:06,840
my early days of the research um now I

630
00:28:11,570 --> 00:28:09,179
tell them you should go see a therapist

631
00:28:13,390 --> 00:28:11,580
like work through this don't go to a

632
00:28:16,789 --> 00:28:13,400
alien abduction

633
00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:16,799
hypnotic uh therapist like go seek

634
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:18,720
actual help and I think that's what this

635
00:28:23,330 --> 00:28:21,600
group is responsibly doing

636
00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:23,340
um and actually if you don't mind Jazz

637
00:28:28,970 --> 00:28:25,919
I've got a quick video from a gentleman

638
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:28,980
named Shane Frakes he's uh he's an Air

639
00:28:33,409 --> 00:28:30,480
Force veteran

640
00:28:37,130 --> 00:28:33,419
um who has also had experiences and he's

641
00:28:38,690 --> 00:28:37,140
working with UAP Med on this and um I

642
00:28:41,390 --> 00:28:38,700
found this cool clip of him kind of

643
00:28:43,130 --> 00:28:41,400
talking about uh the group and and what

644
00:28:44,690 --> 00:28:43,140
it's meant to him so I'm going to go

645
00:28:46,970 --> 00:28:44,700
ahead and play that quick and then we'll

646
00:28:49,310 --> 00:28:46,980
close out on this story

647
00:28:51,230 --> 00:28:49,320
join the United States Air Force in May

648
00:28:53,390 --> 00:28:51,240
2001 got to my first Duty station

649
00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:53,400
September 9th 2001 shortly after I was

650
00:28:57,409 --> 00:28:54,960
at my first

651
00:29:00,230 --> 00:28:57,419
combat location uh Jacob bad air base in

652
00:29:02,090 --> 00:29:00,240
Pakistan I also did a tour in Iraq as

653
00:29:04,610 --> 00:29:02,100
well as uh second tour another toront

654
00:29:06,049 --> 00:29:04,620
Iraq so three tours in total uh 2010 I

655
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:06,059
separated from the military and got

656
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:08,640
pretty sick about that time uh diagnosed

657
00:29:13,850 --> 00:29:11,760
post-traumatic stress disorder by 2014 I

658
00:29:15,070 --> 00:29:13,860
was a homeless addict and I was pretty

659
00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:15,080
sick

660
00:29:18,769 --> 00:29:17,520
2018's Wounded Warrior stepped in and

661
00:29:20,750 --> 00:29:18,779
ended up getting the help that I needed

662
00:29:23,769 --> 00:29:20,760
so I started on the path of recovery and

663
00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:23,779
I've been clean since then but about

664
00:29:28,549 --> 00:29:26,640
2020 I had left uh some care that I was

665
00:29:31,250 --> 00:29:28,559
receiving for my mental health for the

666
00:29:34,370 --> 00:29:31,260
last time about

667
00:29:36,649 --> 00:29:34,380
I think it was January 2020 I started

668
00:29:38,330 --> 00:29:36,659
seeing

669
00:29:40,370 --> 00:29:38,340
during the pandemic lights in the sky

670
00:29:42,769 --> 00:29:40,380
things I didn't quite understand and as

671
00:29:45,289 --> 00:29:42,779
a combat veteran I was kind of confused

672
00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:45,299
by what these were I live in Washington

673
00:29:50,870 --> 00:29:47,760
state which is near Hanford Hanford

674
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:50,880
nuclear site apologies uh for the last

675
00:29:54,769 --> 00:29:52,320
couple years I've been

676
00:29:58,610 --> 00:29:54,779
going through what some would term as an

677
00:30:01,669 --> 00:29:58,620
experience or a UFO witness and as a

678
00:30:02,930 --> 00:30:01,679
person who has been through the gamut of

679
00:30:05,630 --> 00:30:02,940
mental health and values of mental

680
00:30:07,250 --> 00:30:05,640
health I I wanted some ability to talk

681
00:30:09,710 --> 00:30:07,260
to mental health professionals about

682
00:30:11,210 --> 00:30:09,720
what I was seeing because the rabbit

683
00:30:12,970 --> 00:30:11,220
hole gets deep when you realize that

684
00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:12,980
something that's not supposed to exist

685
00:30:17,870 --> 00:30:15,120
does exist

686
00:30:21,169 --> 00:30:17,880
but you couldn't do that so what this

687
00:30:23,269 --> 00:30:21,179
organization is for it's it's to reach

688
00:30:25,549 --> 00:30:23,279
out to let mental health professionals

689
00:30:27,230 --> 00:30:25,559
doctors know that

690
00:30:30,409 --> 00:30:27,240
you know before you give them a pill

691
00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:30,419
before you put them on a three-day holds

692
00:30:34,909 --> 00:30:32,880
take a breath maybe do some research on

693
00:30:36,169 --> 00:30:34,919
your own because there's a possibility

694
00:30:39,470 --> 00:30:36,179
that

695
00:30:41,930 --> 00:30:39,480
they had an actual encounter with an

696
00:30:43,850 --> 00:30:41,940
anomalous experience and another reason

697
00:30:47,330 --> 00:30:43,860
this is important because

698
00:30:49,669 --> 00:30:47,340
the topic of UFOs ufology isn't quite

699
00:30:52,370 --> 00:30:49,679
taken as serious because

700
00:30:54,470 --> 00:30:52,380
it's rampant with mental illness

701
00:30:56,870 --> 00:30:54,480
because people who do see these things

702
00:30:58,669 --> 00:30:56,880
or may or may not are scared to seek

703
00:31:04,310 --> 00:30:58,679
care one way or the other so this would

704
00:31:09,649 --> 00:31:07,310
yeah so I think he he summarized it

705
00:31:12,830 --> 00:31:09,659
really well there like they don't know

706
00:31:15,889 --> 00:31:12,840
who to go to and uh they're scared to

707
00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:15,899
and who can blame them so I think this

708
00:31:21,649 --> 00:31:18,720
would be good if we had sort of a a set

709
00:31:23,870 --> 00:31:21,659
of Standards or protocols when you know

710
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:23,880
when someone comes to a therapist and

711
00:31:28,610 --> 00:31:26,880
says you know I think I had a a UFO

712
00:31:30,769 --> 00:31:28,620
experience or a close encounter or

713
00:31:32,269 --> 00:31:30,779
acclaimed alien abduction

714
00:31:36,230 --> 00:31:32,279
um instead of immediately being like

715
00:31:39,710 --> 00:31:36,240
okay like this person is clearly lost it

716
00:31:41,330 --> 00:31:39,720
um to to just listen which you know I'm

717
00:31:43,850 --> 00:31:41,340
sure most of them do they don't

718
00:31:46,730 --> 00:31:43,860
immediately dismiss them that would be

719
00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:46,740
very irresponsible the therapist to do

720
00:31:51,350 --> 00:31:49,200
um but to be open to the fact that

721
00:31:55,870 --> 00:31:51,360
something's going on like this is

722
00:31:58,549 --> 00:31:55,880
happening to very just you know uh

723
00:32:01,610 --> 00:31:58,559
grounded people and it's happening at an

724
00:32:03,409 --> 00:32:01,620
alarming rate so yeah yeah I think it's

725
00:32:04,669 --> 00:32:03,419
good I think you know the more we

726
00:32:08,029 --> 00:32:04,679
standardize this

727
00:32:10,909 --> 00:32:08,039
sort of stuff the less kind of woo and

728
00:32:14,090 --> 00:32:10,919
kind of alien abduction

729
00:32:16,490 --> 00:32:14,100
um Bud Hopkins all that stuff uh that

730
00:32:20,330 --> 00:32:16,500
gets kind of lumped into a lot of it too

731
00:32:22,789 --> 00:32:20,340
um I don't know and my way off on that

732
00:32:24,289 --> 00:32:22,799
no I I don't think you're way off I I

733
00:32:25,730 --> 00:32:24,299
think what we're seeing is an evolution

734
00:32:28,730 --> 00:32:25,740
of care

735
00:32:31,370 --> 00:32:28,740
um it was going back to the example I

736
00:32:34,730 --> 00:32:31,380
gave with with my family

737
00:32:36,769 --> 00:32:34,740
for a long time it was assumed that you

738
00:32:39,409 --> 00:32:36,779
know anybody that went over and fought

739
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:39,419
in war whether it was World War II

740
00:32:43,850 --> 00:32:42,240
Vietnam where I lost two cousins

741
00:32:46,730 --> 00:32:43,860
um our family has

742
00:32:49,010 --> 00:32:46,740
bled and died for this country you know

743
00:32:51,710 --> 00:32:49,020
and people come back the ones who

744
00:32:54,110 --> 00:32:51,720
survive it was always expected you were

745
00:32:56,990 --> 00:32:54,120
going to be stoic and solid and you were

746
00:32:58,789 --> 00:32:57,000
going to just be you know it's okay we

747
00:33:02,570 --> 00:32:58,799
got the job done

748
00:33:05,210 --> 00:33:02,580
we're we're number one right without

749
00:33:07,909 --> 00:33:05,220
it being accepted in society that some

750
00:33:10,730 --> 00:33:07,919
of those people were really damaged you

751
00:33:12,110 --> 00:33:10,740
know and they they did experience damage

752
00:33:14,509 --> 00:33:12,120
and

753
00:33:16,669 --> 00:33:14,519
I have been fortunate enough

754
00:33:19,009 --> 00:33:16,679
to really never be in that situation at

755
00:33:20,210 --> 00:33:19,019
least that I know of but so many family

756
00:33:21,470 --> 00:33:20,220
members have

757
00:33:23,570 --> 00:33:21,480
I think

758
00:33:26,269 --> 00:33:23,580
after it became

759
00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:26,279
more publicly documented

760
00:33:30,769 --> 00:33:28,080
that military people were experiencing

761
00:33:33,590 --> 00:33:30,779
this experiencing these things then we

762
00:33:35,990 --> 00:33:33,600
moved into an era where I said uh

763
00:33:39,529 --> 00:33:36,000
victims of sexual assault were

764
00:33:41,870 --> 00:33:39,539
experiencing this and now maybe this is

765
00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:41,880
you know the next step in the thing

766
00:33:50,930 --> 00:33:46,080
because I I used to look really a scance

767
00:33:52,730 --> 00:33:50,940
at the whole like abductee syndrome and

768
00:33:55,250 --> 00:33:52,740
because I never had any of those

769
00:33:59,269 --> 00:33:55,260
experiences I've just seen the weird

770
00:34:00,830 --> 00:33:59,279
crap in the sky you know but there are

771
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:00,840
so many people who have these stories

772
00:34:06,590 --> 00:34:04,320
who have experienced these things that

773
00:34:08,589 --> 00:34:06,600
they may need help and maybe that's the

774
00:34:12,770 --> 00:34:08,599
next step we go from the military people

775
00:34:16,010 --> 00:34:12,780
to assault victims to perhaps people

776
00:34:20,270 --> 00:34:16,020
whose UAP interactions have left them

777
00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:20,280
with significant damage and I think

778
00:34:24,349 --> 00:34:22,320
whether you no matter what you believe

779
00:34:26,270 --> 00:34:24,359
about the entire topic

780
00:34:27,829 --> 00:34:26,280
if somebody's actually experiencing

781
00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:27,839
actual anguish

782
00:34:32,149 --> 00:34:30,240
it doesn't matter where it came from we

783
00:34:34,010 --> 00:34:32,159
should all at least be sympathetic

784
00:34:36,169 --> 00:34:34,020
enough as human beings

785
00:34:38,389 --> 00:34:36,179
to be able to go you know

786
00:34:41,210 --> 00:34:38,399
you you should have someone to talk to

787
00:34:44,030 --> 00:34:41,220
to share your experience and see how you

788
00:34:45,790 --> 00:34:44,040
get from where you are now particularly

789
00:34:48,409 --> 00:34:45,800
if you're feeling

790
00:34:51,470 --> 00:34:48,419
self-destructive attitudes or severe

791
00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:51,480
depression to a place of wellness and I

792
00:34:56,149 --> 00:34:53,040
think that's what these guys are doing

793
00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:56,159
and I frankly I totally approve of it

794
00:35:00,710 --> 00:34:58,800
absolutely you summarized it perfectly

795
00:35:03,290 --> 00:35:00,720
man yeah they're going through something

796
00:35:04,849 --> 00:35:03,300
so let's help them Let's help them I

797
00:35:08,030 --> 00:35:04,859
think it's great I think this is really

798
00:35:10,190 --> 00:35:08,040
cool so best of luck to Ted Rowe and um

799
00:35:13,010 --> 00:35:10,200
and the work being done by Gary Nolan as

800
00:35:14,750 --> 00:35:13,020
well moving forward in evolution it's a

801
00:35:17,810 --> 00:35:14,760
good way to look at it

802
00:35:20,990 --> 00:35:17,820
um well let's move to a story that's

803
00:35:24,589 --> 00:35:21,000
semi I guess tangentially related to

804
00:35:27,250 --> 00:35:24,599
UFOs and that was this what happened

805
00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:27,260
this past week Jazz the U.S military

806
00:35:33,290 --> 00:35:29,760
releases video of a Russian jet

807
00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:33,300
intercepting in MQ-9 Reaper drone so

808
00:35:37,609 --> 00:35:35,520
let's play the video and we'll talk

809
00:35:58,550 --> 00:35:37,619
about it on the other side and what this

810
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:16,730
foreign

811
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:20,450
there it is crystal clear as it were

812
00:36:25,730 --> 00:36:23,520
just the U.S military released this

813
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:25,740
video of a Russian military intercept

814
00:36:32,210 --> 00:36:28,079
that resulted in the Downing of a U.S

815
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:32,220
surveillance drone over the Black Sea

816
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:34,800
um so yeah what do you think what'd you

817
00:36:41,870 --> 00:36:37,680
think of this when you first saw it

818
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:41,880
uh the initial reports were vague once

819
00:36:46,670 --> 00:36:44,640
we saw that it came out pretty clearly

820
00:36:50,270 --> 00:36:46,680
what was going on

821
00:36:53,150 --> 00:36:50,280
uh the United States had a drone uh that

822
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:53,160
was flying over international waters

823
00:36:59,990 --> 00:36:57,359
and we had two Russian jets that came in

824
00:37:01,970 --> 00:37:00,000
and did I've never seen this before I

825
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:01,980
want to thank both Tim McMillan and

826
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:04,079
Tyler rogoway who were some of the first

827
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:07,440
ones that I saw of publishing those

828
00:37:11,930 --> 00:37:10,320
videos with explanations that there

829
00:37:14,450 --> 00:37:11,940
there were fighter pilots from the

830
00:37:15,770 --> 00:37:14,460
Russians that were dumping fuel on top

831
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:15,780
of one of our drones

832
00:37:22,490 --> 00:37:19,440
and then almost certainly at this point

833
00:37:23,710 --> 00:37:22,500
there was a collision that took out this

834
00:37:27,770 --> 00:37:23,720
single

835
00:37:29,510 --> 00:37:27,780
propeller on the Drone and it went down

836
00:37:31,730 --> 00:37:29,520
and now the Russians are attempting to

837
00:37:33,890 --> 00:37:31,740
retrieve it themselves

838
00:37:36,530 --> 00:37:33,900
um I don't want to leave the audience

839
00:37:38,569 --> 00:37:36,540
with the idea that we're talking about

840
00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:38,579
something that I think involves UFOs

841
00:37:44,210 --> 00:37:41,280
anything alien

842
00:37:47,150 --> 00:37:44,220
um this was just a an egregious

843
00:37:51,050 --> 00:37:47,160
encounter in the ongoing

844
00:37:54,010 --> 00:37:51,060
situation uh between Russia and Ukraine

845
00:37:57,650 --> 00:37:54,020
and the NATO forces

846
00:37:59,810 --> 00:37:57,660
and yeah they uh they blew down one of

847
00:38:02,569 --> 00:37:59,820
our drones I I don't know what else to

848
00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:02,579
say about it but we shouldn't stand for

849
00:38:08,329 --> 00:38:04,320
that because that was a very aggressive

850
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:08,339
it qualifies as an actor War yeah well

851
00:38:13,550 --> 00:38:12,240
and you know Ryan Graves the pilot I

852
00:38:16,490 --> 00:38:13,560
think summed it up pretty well too

853
00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:16,500
saying how unprofessional this was of

854
00:38:21,770 --> 00:38:19,440
the Russian pilots and how dangerous it

855
00:38:24,890 --> 00:38:21,780
was like they easily could have just

856
00:38:25,970 --> 00:38:24,900
collided and and lost their own lives in

857
00:38:29,630 --> 00:38:25,980
this

858
00:38:32,270 --> 00:38:29,640
um so it's definitely

859
00:38:34,069 --> 00:38:32,280
um a very touchy thing

860
00:38:36,410 --> 00:38:34,079
um it's only adding fuel to the fire of

861
00:38:39,770 --> 00:38:36,420
everything going on geopolitically in

862
00:38:42,290 --> 00:38:39,780
the world um but you you said this you

863
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:42,300
know what does this have to do with UFOs

864
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:43,440
in UAP

865
00:38:49,310 --> 00:38:44,880
um I don't

866
00:38:51,710 --> 00:38:49,320
not much however I think the video is

867
00:38:54,589 --> 00:38:51,720
what um a lot of people are curious

868
00:38:57,349 --> 00:38:54,599
about it's a crystal clear video from a

869
00:38:58,370 --> 00:38:57,359
Reaper drone that shows literally a

870
00:39:01,010 --> 00:38:58,380
plane

871
00:39:05,690 --> 00:39:01,020
um as as angry sauerkraut in the chat

872
00:39:06,530 --> 00:39:05,700
said pissing fuel onto our drone

873
00:39:11,390 --> 00:39:06,540
um

874
00:39:14,030 --> 00:39:11,400
but we all we get you know from from the

875
00:39:17,390 --> 00:39:14,040
Navy is some blurry videos

876
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:17,400
um we get no videos and no photos in the

877
00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:20,160
public of the three unidentified objects

878
00:39:26,569 --> 00:39:22,560
shot down in the US and Canada yet

879
00:39:29,810 --> 00:39:26,579
here's this video right here and it's if

880
00:39:32,510 --> 00:39:29,820
that were a UFO it came over man like

881
00:39:33,470 --> 00:39:32,520
The Smoking Gun videos there clear as

882
00:39:35,510 --> 00:39:33,480
day

883
00:39:37,030 --> 00:39:35,520
um but we're not getting that so why do

884
00:39:39,589 --> 00:39:37,040
you think we're getting this video

885
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:39,599
released like literally the day after

886
00:39:44,030 --> 00:39:41,760
this happened but we're not getting

887
00:39:47,150 --> 00:39:44,040
anything from these objects shot down

888
00:39:49,550 --> 00:39:47,160
over the US and Canada or we're getting

889
00:39:51,170 --> 00:39:49,560
these like table scrap of blurry things

890
00:39:54,530 --> 00:39:51,180
of

891
00:39:56,750 --> 00:39:54,540
um you know whatever it was uh in

892
00:39:58,190 --> 00:39:56,760
Baghdad you know that this Baghdad

893
00:39:59,870 --> 00:39:58,200
Phantom that we're going to talk about

894
00:40:01,670 --> 00:39:59,880
later in the show

895
00:40:03,770 --> 00:40:01,680
um yeah what do you make of all that

896
00:40:06,890 --> 00:40:03,780
well as you know

897
00:40:09,530 --> 00:40:06,900
I have this sort of dual life I live in

898
00:40:12,890 --> 00:40:09,540
the political world for the network that

899
00:40:16,010 --> 00:40:12,900
I work for and in the UFO world

900
00:40:17,630 --> 00:40:16,020
and I think we're seeing a very good

901
00:40:20,450 --> 00:40:17,640
example here

902
00:40:21,710 --> 00:40:20,460
of the fact that the government is very

903
00:40:25,790 --> 00:40:21,720
selective

904
00:40:28,849 --> 00:40:25,800
about what it releases not because

905
00:40:32,030 --> 00:40:28,859
of how important it is not because of

906
00:40:35,450 --> 00:40:32,040
what it adds to a scientific discussion

907
00:40:38,690 --> 00:40:35,460
it adds to the value of politics and

908
00:40:41,569 --> 00:40:38,700
they pick and choose what they choose to

909
00:40:47,569 --> 00:40:41,579
release now you mentioned a couple of

910
00:40:51,230 --> 00:40:49,550
let me pause that there for a moment and

911
00:40:54,890 --> 00:40:51,240
Tim McMillan once again gets credited

912
00:40:58,730 --> 00:40:54,900
the debrief not every fighter jet has

913
00:41:01,190 --> 00:40:58,740
and not every drone has the same camera

914
00:41:04,609 --> 00:41:01,200
capabilities right as the one we had

915
00:41:07,190 --> 00:41:04,619
from this one but most of them do these

916
00:41:09,950 --> 00:41:07,200
days not all most

917
00:41:12,650 --> 00:41:09,960
okay so with that said

918
00:41:15,410 --> 00:41:12,660
if you went and released the video of

919
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:15,420
you shooting down a let's just say for

920
00:41:22,609 --> 00:41:19,680
example Boy Scout Troops radio balloon

921
00:41:26,329 --> 00:41:22,619
that would be pretty embarrassing yeah

922
00:41:28,750 --> 00:41:26,339
but if you want to say hey we're not

923
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:28,760
starting a war with the Russians

924
00:41:34,130 --> 00:41:31,920
they're messing with us they're

925
00:41:36,290 --> 00:41:34,140
attacking us in international waters

926
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:36,300
that's the sort of video you would

927
00:41:40,010 --> 00:41:37,440
release

928
00:41:42,109 --> 00:41:40,020
so the

929
00:41:43,849 --> 00:41:42,119
because they won't give us the the

930
00:41:46,490 --> 00:41:43,859
absolute truth they don't give you

931
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:46,500
unvarnished things I've submitted for

932
00:41:51,290 --> 00:41:48,960
your requests everybody's been asking

933
00:41:53,210 --> 00:41:51,300
you only get the pieces they want to

934
00:41:54,650 --> 00:41:53,220
show you right so to answer your

935
00:41:57,950 --> 00:41:54,660
question Ryan

936
00:42:00,530 --> 00:41:57,960
I think we shouldn't be very inspired in

937
00:42:03,109 --> 00:42:00,540
the openness and transparency of the

938
00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:03,119
United States government because they're

939
00:42:07,849 --> 00:42:06,480
showing us things that make them look a

940
00:42:11,750 --> 00:42:07,859
lot better

941
00:42:14,210 --> 00:42:11,760
and claiming they either don't have or

942
00:42:17,150 --> 00:42:14,220
because of national security reasons

943
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:17,160
will not release other videos that they

944
00:42:21,050 --> 00:42:18,960
clearly have

945
00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:21,060
because it might make them look kind of

946
00:42:30,829 --> 00:42:28,310
you asked me my take I I know that

947
00:42:33,770 --> 00:42:30,839
sounds a little cruel but that's my

948
00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:33,780
takeaway I I think the United States

949
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:35,760
government has not been an honest actor

950
00:42:39,710 --> 00:42:37,200
for the last

951
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:39,720
more than 75 years they're not much

952
00:42:46,609 --> 00:42:42,720
better now really we hear a lot of talk

953
00:42:48,589 --> 00:42:46,619
from the the new Aero office and all the

954
00:42:50,750 --> 00:42:48,599
all this stuff but they're always

955
00:42:52,790 --> 00:42:50,760
covered in their own butts and the

956
00:42:55,310 --> 00:42:52,800
example you brought up today

957
00:42:57,770 --> 00:42:55,320
I think that's a perfect example we

958
00:42:59,870 --> 00:42:57,780
could have had great video of a lot of

959
00:43:02,030 --> 00:42:59,880
things but it either would have shown

960
00:43:04,250 --> 00:43:02,040
something embarrassing or something that

961
00:43:06,770 --> 00:43:04,260
they don't want us to know

962
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:06,780
but when something serves their purpose

963
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:09,839
like oh look here's the Russians dumping

964
00:43:13,490 --> 00:43:12,000
fuel on our drone

965
00:43:15,290 --> 00:43:13,500
I agree with you

966
00:43:17,329 --> 00:43:15,300
aren't there a lot of other encounters

967
00:43:19,849 --> 00:43:17,339
including the recent ones with the

968
00:43:22,190 --> 00:43:19,859
unknown objects

969
00:43:24,589 --> 00:43:22,200
those are the same planes

970
00:43:27,470 --> 00:43:24,599
don't you think they have video of that

971
00:43:29,690 --> 00:43:27,480
too well they chose not to release any

972
00:43:32,089 --> 00:43:29,700
of that but they showed us this because

973
00:43:33,230 --> 00:43:32,099
it made the Russians look bad so pardon

974
00:43:34,730 --> 00:43:33,240
me for saying

975
00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:34,740
I'm a little skeptical of the

976
00:43:39,410 --> 00:43:37,440
government's motives yeah man I I I'm

977
00:43:42,050 --> 00:43:39,420
windy on that I mean that why do you

978
00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:42,060
think we saw this selfie taken by a

979
00:43:47,809 --> 00:43:45,839
pilot uh exactly China exactly or the

980
00:43:50,210 --> 00:43:47,819
shooting down of the balloon like these

981
00:43:52,130 --> 00:43:50,220
are the things they want us to see to

982
00:43:53,690 --> 00:43:52,140
you're right it's all politically

983
00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:53,700
motivated

984
00:43:58,010 --> 00:43:55,200
um I I think it's also politically

985
00:43:59,809 --> 00:43:58,020
motivated everything going on with

986
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:59,819
um the different

987
00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:00,480
um

988
00:44:05,150 --> 00:44:02,880
kind of I don't even want to say

989
00:44:07,250 --> 00:44:05,160
bipartisan but like the way different

990
00:44:09,890 --> 00:44:07,260
Congress members are responding to a lot

991
00:44:11,950 --> 00:44:09,900
of this as well it seems like the topic

992
00:44:14,750 --> 00:44:11,960
right now is getting very politicized

993
00:44:17,450 --> 00:44:14,760
excuse me politicized and I don't like

994
00:44:19,250 --> 00:44:17,460
that like I like when we could just when

995
00:44:21,050 --> 00:44:19,260
Arrow first started it was very

996
00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:21,060
bipartisan you had Gila brand on one end

997
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:23,040
you had Rubio on another

998
00:44:27,410 --> 00:44:25,200
um kind of like trying to move this

999
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:27,420
thing forward and now I feel like it's

1000
00:44:32,089 --> 00:44:29,280
getting fractured again and it's all

1001
00:44:34,550 --> 00:44:32,099
getting politicized and I I don't like

1002
00:44:36,170 --> 00:44:34,560
the the way it's heading but I think

1003
00:44:38,450 --> 00:44:36,180
you're right that we're only seeing what

1004
00:44:39,950 --> 00:44:38,460
they want us to see I'm going to

1005
00:44:44,270 --> 00:44:39,960
disagree with you if I can partially

1006
00:44:48,230 --> 00:44:44,280
yeah yeah go ahead I I think in Congress

1007
00:44:50,569 --> 00:44:48,240
I think it's still very bipartisan there

1008
00:44:52,910 --> 00:44:50,579
are a lot of people on both sides still

1009
00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:52,920
very interested still working

1010
00:44:58,430 --> 00:44:55,680
um we're still hearing uh plans for new

1011
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:58,440
hearings and things like that the

1012
00:45:04,130 --> 00:45:01,440
legislative side still seems to be

1013
00:45:06,050 --> 00:45:04,140
fairly bipartisan in all this it's the

1014
00:45:08,210 --> 00:45:06,060
executive side because when you move

1015
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:08,220
over to the executive side you have the

1016
00:45:13,010 --> 00:45:10,400
White House you have the president slash

1017
00:45:17,150 --> 00:45:13,020
commander-in-chief you have the Pentagon

1018
00:45:19,130 --> 00:45:17,160
military everything that's actually an

1019
00:45:21,710 --> 00:45:19,140
entire another compartment from the

1020
00:45:25,309 --> 00:45:21,720
legislature and

1021
00:45:26,750 --> 00:45:25,319
I think they guard their political butts

1022
00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:26,760
a lot more and they don't want to put

1023
00:45:30,170 --> 00:45:28,319
out anything that might be embarrassing

1024
00:45:34,250 --> 00:45:30,180
or

1025
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:34,260
let anybody know what's going on if

1026
00:45:39,109 --> 00:45:36,720
it could be shown somebody was doing

1027
00:45:41,870 --> 00:45:39,119
something questionable right the

1028
00:45:45,829 --> 00:45:41,880
legislator I still think is still

1029
00:45:48,710 --> 00:45:45,839
on board pretty much across the line you

1030
00:45:50,569 --> 00:45:48,720
know they're they want the answers but

1031
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:50,579
they are we now have

1032
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:53,760
it's not yes versus no it's legislative

1033
00:45:58,190 --> 00:45:56,160
versus executive branch and the

1034
00:46:02,870 --> 00:45:58,200
legislature we have a bunch of people

1035
00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:02,880
Tim Burchette Kirsten gillibrand all the

1036
00:46:06,530 --> 00:46:04,560
ones you mentioned so many others

1037
00:46:08,390 --> 00:46:06,540
they're still working on this

1038
00:46:10,790 --> 00:46:08,400
but they're getting a lot of pushback

1039
00:46:13,609 --> 00:46:10,800
from both the military and the executive

1040
00:46:14,809 --> 00:46:13,619
branch who could see political damage if

1041
00:46:17,030 --> 00:46:14,819
it looked like they were doing something

1042
00:46:20,569 --> 00:46:17,040
that was kind of dodgy that's my take

1043
00:46:22,069 --> 00:46:20,579
and I cover this for a living so I'm

1044
00:46:23,809 --> 00:46:22,079
going to take your word for it and no

1045
00:46:25,609 --> 00:46:23,819
you make some really really good points

1046
00:46:28,910 --> 00:46:25,619
there for sure

1047
00:46:31,309 --> 00:46:28,920
um let's move on then because what else

1048
00:46:33,530 --> 00:46:31,319
can we really say about this it's an eve

1049
00:46:37,130 --> 00:46:33,540
it's a developing story

1050
00:46:38,750 --> 00:46:37,140
um but yeah we'll get back to it yep um

1051
00:46:41,450 --> 00:46:38,760
thank you Nicholas for the Super Chat

1052
00:46:44,030 --> 00:46:41,460
I'd love more info on the UAP angle as a

1053
00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:44,040
Navy drone pilot myself

1054
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:47,280
um cool cool Nicholas yeah me too man

1055
00:46:51,849 --> 00:46:49,680
that's that's that's really interesting

1056
00:46:54,530 --> 00:46:51,859
we're getting more and more Navy people

1057
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:54,540
involved in this topic every day so I'm

1058
00:46:59,089 --> 00:46:56,640
loving it I'm loving it

1059
00:47:01,849 --> 00:46:59,099
um all right Jazz what do you think yeah

1060
00:47:04,010 --> 00:47:01,859
enter intro the next topic I need one

1061
00:47:05,930 --> 00:47:04,020
quick absolutely man yep we're moving on

1062
00:47:09,349 --> 00:47:05,940
to your story take a quick break we'll

1063
00:47:14,809 --> 00:47:12,349
all right guys so we're gonna move on to

1064
00:47:15,770 --> 00:47:14,819
the real story The reason I had Jazz

1065
00:47:18,109 --> 00:47:15,780
here

1066
00:47:21,710 --> 00:47:18,119
um he dug up something from the Project

1067
00:47:24,829 --> 00:47:21,720
Blue Book files that um really blew me

1068
00:47:28,970 --> 00:47:24,839
away and that's the story of a Tic Tac

1069
00:47:31,190 --> 00:47:28,980
UFO over Washington DC a really

1070
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:31,200
interesting story you're not going to

1071
00:47:35,450 --> 00:47:32,640
want to miss it so what I'm going to do

1072
00:47:37,609 --> 00:47:35,460
right now actually is um take a quick

1073
00:47:39,170 --> 00:47:37,619
commercial break and we're gonna come

1074
00:47:41,870 --> 00:47:39,180
back on the other side we're going to

1075
00:47:44,450 --> 00:47:41,880
talk about the Tic Tac over Washington

1076
00:47:46,550 --> 00:47:44,460
DC and then we're going to move to

1077
00:47:50,030 --> 00:47:46,560
podcast highlights of the week and we've

1078
00:47:52,370 --> 00:47:50,040
got a bunch of awesome awesome clips for

1079
00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:52,380
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1080
00:47:56,150 --> 00:47:54,720
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1081
00:47:58,609 --> 00:47:56,160
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1082
00:48:05,290 --> 00:47:58,619
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1083
00:48:10,730 --> 00:48:08,030
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1117
00:49:37,849 --> 00:49:35,460
we're gonna bring him back in and we are

1118
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:37,859
going to talk about Tic Tacs over

1119
00:49:43,849 --> 00:49:41,520
Washington D.C welcome back Jazz

1120
00:49:45,589 --> 00:49:43,859
um let's do it man let's get to the the

1121
00:49:47,530 --> 00:49:45,599
real reason I wanted to have you on and

1122
00:49:52,370 --> 00:49:47,540
that is to tell talk about this awesome

1123
00:49:54,410 --> 00:49:52,380
incident 207 so basically you know just

1124
00:49:56,569 --> 00:49:54,420
when we think of

1125
00:49:59,870 --> 00:49:56,579
um Washington DC and UFOs we always

1126
00:50:02,450 --> 00:49:59,880
think of the uh the the nation's capital

1127
00:50:04,730 --> 00:50:02,460
what happened in 1952 with these UFOs

1128
00:50:07,430 --> 00:50:04,740
that buzzed the capital

1129
00:50:09,530 --> 00:50:07,440
um and when we think of tic tacs we

1130
00:50:12,650 --> 00:50:09,540
think of the now famous 2004 Nimitz

1131
00:50:14,569 --> 00:50:12,660
event but you actually within the

1132
00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:14,579
Project Blue Book files were able to dig

1133
00:50:19,370 --> 00:50:17,520
up a case that kind of involved both of

1134
00:50:21,230 --> 00:50:19,380
these so could you maybe

1135
00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:21,240
um yeah yeah wherever you want to take

1136
00:50:27,650 --> 00:50:23,520
it tell us about incident 207 the Tic

1137
00:50:31,069 --> 00:50:27,660
Tac over Washington DC if you don't mind

1138
00:50:39,170 --> 00:50:34,130
oh sorry because I was talking to my

1139
00:50:42,890 --> 00:50:39,180
sister uh my bad sorry no worries my man

1140
00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:42,900
um no uh this was I I have an unhealthy

1141
00:50:48,170 --> 00:50:45,119
obsession with the blue book files

1142
00:50:50,569 --> 00:50:48,180
obviously and my my wife said I'm kind

1143
00:50:53,089 --> 00:50:50,579
of obsessed with it and I'm going

1144
00:50:55,730 --> 00:50:53,099
through them all the time and

1145
00:50:58,370 --> 00:50:55,740
a lot of people don't realize that they

1146
00:51:00,890 --> 00:50:58,380
hear like incident 17 the Kenneth Arnold

1147
00:51:03,290 --> 00:51:00,900
thing you know there there's a half

1148
00:51:06,170 --> 00:51:03,300
dozen or so that get a lot of coverage

1149
00:51:09,049 --> 00:51:06,180
there's been all sorts of

1150
00:51:11,870 --> 00:51:09,059
um you know documentaries made and and

1151
00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:11,880
articles written about them I ran across

1152
00:51:20,210 --> 00:51:16,800
this one case and it was listed in the

1153
00:51:23,690 --> 00:51:20,220
Blue Book files as incident 207.

1154
00:51:26,870 --> 00:51:23,700
but this was well before the very famous

1155
00:51:28,370 --> 00:51:26,880
Washington DC thing and it happened in

1156
00:51:29,750 --> 00:51:28,380
1948

1157
00:51:33,890 --> 00:51:29,760
and

1158
00:51:36,170 --> 00:51:33,900
uh the file is really long

1159
00:51:38,809 --> 00:51:36,180
I'll just say in advance

1160
00:51:41,390 --> 00:51:38,819
a lot of people don't realize that they

1161
00:51:48,349 --> 00:51:45,410
eight to a dozen Blue Book cases that

1162
00:51:50,569 --> 00:51:48,359
have been covered in books and in

1163
00:51:53,390 --> 00:51:50,579
documentaries and TV shows and we all

1164
00:51:57,230 --> 00:51:53,400
talk about them Kenneth Arnold that was

1165
00:52:01,089 --> 00:51:57,240
incident 17. there are more than seven

1166
00:52:05,630 --> 00:52:01,099
thousand files in the Blue Book cases

1167
00:52:06,650 --> 00:52:05,640
literally more than seven thousand a lot

1168
00:52:10,250 --> 00:52:06,660
of them

1169
00:52:13,370 --> 00:52:10,260
have almost nothing to them there's one

1170
00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:13,380
or two pages you know and it's like oh

1171
00:52:18,049 --> 00:52:14,880
we got a report from somebody who said

1172
00:52:21,349 --> 00:52:18,059
they saw the light and it was closed and

1173
00:52:25,910 --> 00:52:21,359
nobody did anything but buried in those

1174
00:52:28,549 --> 00:52:25,920
files there are a bunch of gems and 207

1175
00:52:32,329 --> 00:52:28,559
that was that was a great one that I

1176
00:52:34,970 --> 00:52:32,339
found uh earlier this year and went

1177
00:52:38,150 --> 00:52:34,980
ahead and the debrief did a whole

1178
00:52:38,930 --> 00:52:38,160
background investigation into it with

1179
00:52:42,950 --> 00:52:38,940
the

1180
00:52:45,230 --> 00:52:42,960
people that were involved we had names

1181
00:52:49,670 --> 00:52:45,240
we had dates we had times we had places

1182
00:52:51,829 --> 00:52:49,680
you know and there was a time

1183
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:51,839
um and I'm just trying to get the date

1184
00:52:58,970 --> 00:52:56,160
right now yeah November 18th 1948. this

1185
00:53:01,130 --> 00:52:58,980
was several years before the one you

1186
00:53:02,690 --> 00:53:01,140
mentioned in Washington DC

1187
00:53:05,750 --> 00:53:02,700
where

1188
00:53:08,089 --> 00:53:05,760
there were pilots who encountered

1189
00:53:09,890 --> 00:53:08,099
something they couldn't explain

1190
00:53:11,150 --> 00:53:09,900
over

1191
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:11,160
um

1192
00:53:15,530 --> 00:53:13,200
Andrews Air Force Base

1193
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:15,540
in Maryland but it's right in the border

1194
00:53:18,490 --> 00:53:17,040
of Maryland it's right next to

1195
00:53:23,329 --> 00:53:18,500
Washington DC

1196
00:53:26,510 --> 00:53:23,339
and they ran into an object that

1197
00:53:27,530 --> 00:53:26,520
nobody could identify what the heck it

1198
00:53:31,910 --> 00:53:27,540
was

1199
00:53:34,010 --> 00:53:31,920
and it did some really amazing things

1200
00:53:37,370 --> 00:53:34,020
and

1201
00:53:39,290 --> 00:53:37,380
there were two pilots it took us a long

1202
00:53:40,970 --> 00:53:39,300
time to sort through

1203
00:53:43,370 --> 00:53:40,980
the details because there were some

1204
00:53:45,770 --> 00:53:43,380
errors in the records but there were

1205
00:53:48,349 --> 00:53:45,780
three Pilots most likely in two

1206
00:53:49,809 --> 00:53:48,359
different planes who ran into an object

1207
00:53:53,630 --> 00:53:49,819
they described as

1208
00:53:57,410 --> 00:53:53,640
elongated oval uh things like that it

1209
00:54:00,290 --> 00:53:57,420
really sounded like a Tic Tac which came

1210
00:54:03,230 --> 00:54:00,300
over Andrews Air Force Base a military

1211
00:54:05,870 --> 00:54:03,240
Air Force Base we're still in a very

1212
00:54:08,210 --> 00:54:05,880
very tense military situation during

1213
00:54:10,730 --> 00:54:08,220
that period right and

1214
00:54:11,630 --> 00:54:10,740
there was another witness uh on the

1215
00:54:14,809 --> 00:54:11,640
ground

1216
00:54:16,670 --> 00:54:14,819
all military Witnesses all of impeccable

1217
00:54:18,890 --> 00:54:16,680
qualifications

1218
00:54:22,730 --> 00:54:18,900
who watched this happen

1219
00:54:24,170 --> 00:54:22,740
and it lasted for 15 to 18 minutes

1220
00:54:26,870 --> 00:54:24,180
and

1221
00:54:29,089 --> 00:54:26,880
there were one or two planes we now

1222
00:54:31,670 --> 00:54:29,099
believe two planes that were coming in

1223
00:54:34,130 --> 00:54:31,680
to land at Air at Andrews

1224
00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:34,140
and they're suddenly encountered by

1225
00:54:38,450 --> 00:54:35,280
something

1226
00:54:42,530 --> 00:54:38,460
that they couldn't describe but it

1227
00:54:44,990 --> 00:54:42,540
sounded a lot like a Tic Tac and it was

1228
00:54:46,970 --> 00:54:45,000
just buzzing in amongst them while

1229
00:54:49,370 --> 00:54:46,980
someone on the ground all military

1230
00:54:52,849 --> 00:54:49,380
personnel were watching

1231
00:54:55,370 --> 00:54:52,859
and it started just circling and chasing

1232
00:54:59,089 --> 00:54:55,380
them and doing these weird evasive

1233
00:55:01,309 --> 00:54:59,099
maneuvers and jumping up and down and

1234
00:55:03,650 --> 00:55:01,319
going into these tight circles that our

1235
00:55:05,569 --> 00:55:03,660
planes couldn't duplicate

1236
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:05,579
and then

1237
00:55:09,710 --> 00:55:07,680
literally more than 15 minutes later

1238
00:55:11,870 --> 00:55:09,720
apparently got bored

1239
00:55:14,750 --> 00:55:11,880
and took off to the Northeast and had it

1240
00:55:17,510 --> 00:55:14,760
off over it was it was doing the thing

1241
00:55:19,549 --> 00:55:17,520
was doing more than 80 miles an hour

1242
00:55:22,490 --> 00:55:19,559
AirSpeed circling

1243
00:55:24,950 --> 00:55:22,500
and then did more than 500 miles an hour

1244
00:55:27,170 --> 00:55:24,960
heading off to the Northeast and

1245
00:55:31,190 --> 00:55:27,180
disappearing over the Atlantic

1246
00:55:33,770 --> 00:55:31,200
and it was a really remarkable case and

1247
00:55:37,190 --> 00:55:33,780
the more the debrief dug into it you

1248
00:55:40,190 --> 00:55:37,200
know it's just like wow we have the

1249
00:55:43,210 --> 00:55:40,200
names of all of the people who were

1250
00:55:45,490 --> 00:55:43,220
involved in it three different Pilots

1251
00:55:48,650 --> 00:55:45,500
one sergeant that was on the ground

1252
00:55:50,750 --> 00:55:48,660
watching and Reporting all of this and

1253
00:55:52,730 --> 00:55:50,760
the entire Blue Book files when they

1254
00:55:55,609 --> 00:55:52,740
looked at this they didn't have an

1255
00:55:59,390 --> 00:55:55,619
explanation for it but it never caught

1256
00:56:02,569 --> 00:55:59,400
the attention of the broader media I've

1257
00:56:04,250 --> 00:56:02,579
never seen a big documentary like the

1258
00:56:05,690 --> 00:56:04,260
ones you've been involved in

1259
00:56:08,750 --> 00:56:05,700
you know

1260
00:56:11,150 --> 00:56:08,760
um this thing was doing crazy stuff

1261
00:56:13,130 --> 00:56:11,160
it came in it went out of these tight

1262
00:56:15,829 --> 00:56:13,140
circles they couldn't follow it was

1263
00:56:18,109 --> 00:56:15,839
better than our planes and at one point

1264
00:56:20,450 --> 00:56:18,119
when somebody got behind it

1265
00:56:22,490 --> 00:56:20,460
they put one of their Landing lights on

1266
00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:22,500
it and said it was kind of glowing but

1267
00:56:26,390 --> 00:56:24,720
it immediately jumped up slowed down

1268
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:26,400
went behind them dropped down behind

1269
00:56:31,430 --> 00:56:29,040
them and started following them again

1270
00:56:35,390 --> 00:56:31,440
this was not a balloon

1271
00:56:36,589 --> 00:56:35,400
you know it was a crazy encounter and we

1272
00:56:38,750 --> 00:56:36,599
documented the whole thing in the

1273
00:56:42,470 --> 00:56:38,760
article I'm assuming you're linking it

1274
00:56:44,630 --> 00:56:42,480
in the thing but it was

1275
00:56:46,549 --> 00:56:44,640
no it was not I'm amazed there hasn't

1276
00:56:49,250 --> 00:56:46,559
been somebody that's on a TV crew out

1277
00:56:51,530 --> 00:56:49,260
because when I went and investigated it

1278
00:56:54,530 --> 00:56:51,540
some of the relatives of the pilots that

1279
00:56:56,750 --> 00:56:54,540
were involved are still alive they are

1280
00:56:58,549 --> 00:56:56,760
out there you can talk to them

1281
00:57:00,290 --> 00:56:58,559
um they didn't want me to quote them

1282
00:57:03,710 --> 00:57:00,300
directly

1283
00:57:06,549 --> 00:57:03,720
it was kind of a touchy thing but

1284
00:57:10,430 --> 00:57:06,559
this was a very real thing that happened

1285
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:10,440
and it looked like a Tic Tac and it went

1286
00:57:16,790 --> 00:57:13,920
dodging planes and they came within four

1287
00:57:17,990 --> 00:57:16,800
and a half to five miles at a minimum of

1288
00:57:21,410 --> 00:57:18,000
the White House

1289
00:57:23,750 --> 00:57:21,420
of the Capitol building in Washington DC

1290
00:57:26,510 --> 00:57:23,760
it's right over the Border

1291
00:57:29,630 --> 00:57:26,520
and then it took off at speeds that no

1292
00:57:32,150 --> 00:57:29,640
plane should have been able to manage at

1293
00:57:35,710 --> 00:57:32,160
that time I found it to be a really

1294
00:57:37,490 --> 00:57:35,720
remarkable case Ryan and

1295
00:57:41,089 --> 00:57:37,500
holy cow

1296
00:57:44,870 --> 00:57:41,099
and we we got we dug up all the data we

1297
00:57:46,910 --> 00:57:44,880
have the tombstone of one of the uh the

1298
00:57:49,069 --> 00:57:46,920
pilots that was involved we have their

1299
00:57:51,650 --> 00:57:49,079
early marital records and all that stuff

1300
00:57:53,690 --> 00:57:51,660
these were all real people that

1301
00:57:56,450 --> 00:57:53,700
experienced this thing

1302
00:57:59,390 --> 00:57:56,460
and nobody's ever explained it what

1303
00:58:01,849 --> 00:57:59,400
happened somebody actually probably two

1304
00:58:03,230 --> 00:58:01,859
planes with three Pilots was chasing

1305
00:58:06,770 --> 00:58:03,240
what for all

1306
00:58:10,970 --> 00:58:06,780
appearances sounded like a Tic Tac right

1307
00:58:13,970 --> 00:58:10,980
over Washington DC in 1948 several years

1308
00:58:15,349 --> 00:58:13,980
before the more famous incident so

1309
00:58:17,809 --> 00:58:15,359
that's what we found

1310
00:58:20,150 --> 00:58:17,819
well and the other thing that really

1311
00:58:22,670 --> 00:58:20,160
stuck out to me like you mentioned in

1312
00:58:25,849 --> 00:58:22,680
the article and here is it headed

1313
00:58:29,809 --> 00:58:25,859
towards the water just like the Tic Tac

1314
00:58:32,049 --> 00:58:29,819
in 2004 so I mean again what are we

1315
00:58:34,450 --> 00:58:32,059
dealing with and it comes to these like

1316
00:58:38,150 --> 00:58:34,460
oblong-shaped or or almost

1317
00:58:39,589 --> 00:58:38,160
tic-tac-shaped white objects luminous

1318
00:58:42,410 --> 00:58:39,599
objects that are making these

1319
00:58:46,730 --> 00:58:42,420
unbelievable Maneuvers in 1948 mind you

1320
00:58:50,329 --> 00:58:46,740
like that's a big leap from 48 to 2004

1321
00:58:53,390 --> 00:58:50,339
so you know are we dealing with the same

1322
00:58:55,849 --> 00:58:53,400
technology or or intelligence behind

1323
00:58:58,430 --> 00:58:55,859
whatever that thing was

1324
00:59:02,270 --> 00:58:58,440
um how much has it evolved since from 48

1325
00:59:03,950 --> 00:59:02,280
to 2004 or were they probably completely

1326
00:59:06,770 --> 00:59:03,960
different objects I don't know but it's

1327
00:59:09,049 --> 00:59:06,780
these small connections you can make the

1328
00:59:10,750 --> 00:59:09,059
shape the fact that it went over to the

1329
00:59:13,490 --> 00:59:10,760
water the fact that it was making these

1330
00:59:16,849 --> 00:59:13,500
unbelievable Maneuvers

1331
00:59:19,010 --> 00:59:16,859
um crazy now Jess let me ask you this

1332
00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:19,020
um I think I remember from the article

1333
00:59:25,970 --> 00:59:23,040
did they say that this object made noise

1334
00:59:28,430 --> 00:59:25,980
yeah it made

1335
00:59:31,130 --> 00:59:28,440
well we can't say the object made noise

1336
00:59:34,069 --> 00:59:31,140
okay there were four Witnesses three or

1337
00:59:37,549 --> 00:59:34,079
more pilots and we believe at this point

1338
00:59:42,289 --> 00:59:37,559
that they were two pilots in one plane a

1339
00:59:44,329 --> 00:59:42,299
T6 Texan and in a second plane but one

1340
00:59:46,370 --> 00:59:44,339
of the witnesses was a sergeant on the

1341
00:59:49,370 --> 00:59:46,380
ground who was standing watch on the

1342
00:59:51,049 --> 00:59:49,380
Airfield and he described

1343
00:59:55,670 --> 00:59:51,059
the sound

1344
00:59:56,990 --> 00:59:55,680
as being very loud like a t-48 do I have

1345
00:59:59,390 --> 00:59:57,000
that wrong

1346
01:00:04,190 --> 00:59:59,400
oh God I hope I don't

1347
01:00:08,450 --> 01:00:06,170
yeah I don't recall

1348
01:00:11,569 --> 01:00:08,460
no I'm trying to look because that's an

1349
01:00:13,849 --> 01:00:11,579
it's an important part of the story no

1350
01:00:15,950 --> 01:00:13,859
I'm sorry it's a republic P-47

1351
01:00:18,770 --> 01:00:15,960
Thunderbolt

1352
01:00:20,809 --> 01:00:18,780
and this guy was very it's obvious he

1353
01:00:23,510 --> 01:00:20,819
was very familiar

1354
01:00:26,089 --> 01:00:23,520
with the sounds of aircraft because that

1355
01:00:27,829 --> 01:00:26,099
was his job that's where he worked and

1356
01:00:32,630 --> 01:00:27,839
he described it as being like a very

1357
01:00:35,450 --> 01:00:32,640
loud sounding uh P-47 Thunderbolt

1358
01:00:38,870 --> 01:00:35,460
but did the sound come from the weird

1359
01:00:42,170 --> 01:00:38,880
Tech take shaped object or did it come

1360
01:00:45,710 --> 01:00:42,180
from a second airplane and our research

1361
01:00:48,109 --> 01:00:45,720
at the debrief showed that there were

1362
01:00:51,170 --> 01:00:48,119
three Pilots reporting about this but

1363
01:00:55,430 --> 01:00:51,180
two of them were in a T6 Texan

1364
01:00:57,349 --> 01:00:55,440
a T6 Texan is a trainer aircraft it only

1365
01:01:00,770 --> 01:00:57,359
has two seats there's no room for

1366
01:01:02,390 --> 01:01:00,780
anybody else so most likely and this is

1367
01:01:05,690 --> 01:01:02,400
my interpretation

1368
01:01:07,849 --> 01:01:05,700
there was a second aircraft up there and

1369
01:01:13,069 --> 01:01:07,859
that was the aircraft that was being

1370
01:01:16,430 --> 01:01:13,079
piloted by the third pilot who was in a

1371
01:01:19,670 --> 01:01:16,440
P-47 Thunderbolt which is a tremendously

1372
01:01:20,809 --> 01:01:19,680
loud aircraft and that would explain the

1373
01:01:24,289 --> 01:01:20,819
whole thing

1374
01:01:28,069 --> 01:01:24,299
except for the weird oblong thing they

1375
01:01:30,650 --> 01:01:28,079
were chasing you know so the the

1376
01:01:31,549 --> 01:01:30,660
investigation had if you read the

1377
01:01:34,309 --> 01:01:31,559
article

1378
01:01:36,650 --> 01:01:34,319
a number of Errors they didn't have the

1379
01:01:39,230 --> 01:01:36,660
third Pilot's name correct

1380
01:01:40,990 --> 01:01:39,240
they had his middle initial rung they

1381
01:01:42,829 --> 01:01:41,000
listed

1382
01:01:46,609 --> 01:01:42,839
excuse me

1383
01:01:50,030 --> 01:01:46,619
the Lister name is uh Glenn L stalker as

1384
01:01:52,970 --> 01:01:50,040
a lieutenant uh second Lieutenant but

1385
01:01:56,630 --> 01:01:52,980
the debrief went and found his military

1386
01:02:00,650 --> 01:01:56,640
records and uh not to

1387
01:02:03,049 --> 01:02:00,660
say this disrespectfully his headstone

1388
01:02:05,930 --> 01:02:03,059
um his name was actually Glenn Elder

1389
01:02:10,010 --> 01:02:05,940
stalker he was Glenn E stalker

1390
01:02:12,230 --> 01:02:10,020
and he was a pilot but he wasn't a

1391
01:02:14,530 --> 01:02:12,240
lieutenant they had a program at the

1392
01:02:16,730 --> 01:02:14,540
time that allowed commissioned uh

1393
01:02:18,410 --> 01:02:16,740
non-commissioned officers uh Petty

1394
01:02:19,630 --> 01:02:18,420
officers

1395
01:02:22,910 --> 01:02:19,640
um

1396
01:02:24,470 --> 01:02:22,920
non-commissioned officers ncos uh to be

1397
01:02:27,589 --> 01:02:24,480
Pilots if they went through pilot

1398
01:02:29,089 --> 01:02:27,599
training they couldn't engage in combat

1399
01:02:33,770 --> 01:02:29,099
missions but they could do training

1400
01:02:37,670 --> 01:02:33,780
missions and stalker was a pilot who

1401
01:02:39,589 --> 01:02:37,680
could fly that type of aircraft and he

1402
01:02:43,010 --> 01:02:39,599
was probably up in the air at the same

1403
01:02:44,690 --> 01:02:43,020
time as the two guys in the tube in the

1404
01:02:47,569 --> 01:02:44,700
T6 Texan

1405
01:02:48,829 --> 01:02:47,579
and it it all fits together

1406
01:02:51,289 --> 01:02:48,839
but

1407
01:02:52,730 --> 01:02:51,299
the the investigory team the

1408
01:02:54,950 --> 01:02:52,740
investigatory team

1409
01:02:57,589 --> 01:02:54,960
didn't really do a good job because they

1410
01:02:59,930 --> 01:02:57,599
didn't track down all of his records and

1411
01:03:02,870 --> 01:02:59,940
even today all these are all these

1412
01:03:04,789 --> 01:03:02,880
decades later we were able to find them

1413
01:03:08,329 --> 01:03:04,799
you know we know exactly who this guy

1414
01:03:10,970 --> 01:03:08,339
was and he saw something he could not

1415
01:03:13,549 --> 01:03:10,980
explain but he was one of the three

1416
01:03:15,890 --> 01:03:13,559
witnesses that watched all of this

1417
01:03:18,589 --> 01:03:15,900
happen and then we had another witness

1418
01:03:20,750 --> 01:03:18,599
on the ground who talked about a sound

1419
01:03:22,730 --> 01:03:20,760
that was very

1420
01:03:25,609 --> 01:03:22,740
very similar

1421
01:03:28,970 --> 01:03:25,619
to the plane that the third pilot was

1422
01:03:31,250 --> 01:03:28,980
probably piloting and it it all kind of

1423
01:03:35,329 --> 01:03:31,260
makes sense but I mean everybody's dead

1424
01:03:37,609 --> 01:03:35,339
now so what do we know yeah that's

1425
01:03:39,950 --> 01:03:37,619
always the case it's always a race with

1426
01:03:42,410 --> 01:03:39,960
the Undertaker when it comes to a lot of

1427
01:03:44,750 --> 01:03:42,420
these older cases um but what I

1428
01:03:46,809 --> 01:03:44,760
appreciate about cases like this jazz is

1429
01:03:50,390 --> 01:03:46,819
you know this is part of project sign

1430
01:03:52,490 --> 01:03:50,400
originally which was you know before the

1431
01:03:55,490 --> 01:03:52,500
kind of whitewashing publicity stunt

1432
01:03:57,230 --> 01:03:55,500
that would become Project Blue Book so

1433
01:03:58,910 --> 01:03:57,240
you get a lot more

1434
01:04:03,890 --> 01:03:58,920
um

1435
01:04:05,870 --> 01:04:03,900
thorough investigation when you know

1436
01:04:08,990 --> 01:04:05,880
Grudge and sign were still kind of

1437
01:04:10,490 --> 01:04:09,000
taking this very seriously

1438
01:04:12,049 --> 01:04:10,500
um instead of you know what would

1439
01:04:14,270 --> 01:04:12,059
eventually become Project Blue Book

1440
01:04:15,650 --> 01:04:14,280
where they just would debunk every case

1441
01:04:18,589 --> 01:04:15,660
with

1442
01:04:21,549 --> 01:04:18,599
um impossible explanations sometimes

1443
01:04:23,690 --> 01:04:21,559
um I I love the fact that this happened

1444
01:04:26,390 --> 01:04:23,700
pre-project Blue Book

1445
01:04:28,309 --> 01:04:26,400
um and and yeah yeah that's what I love

1446
01:04:31,250 --> 01:04:28,319
I love when we can dig up these old

1447
01:04:33,650 --> 01:04:31,260
cases um last question on this case and

1448
01:04:35,569 --> 01:04:33,660
maybe I missed this in the article or

1449
01:04:37,670 --> 01:04:35,579
I'm just not remembering

1450
01:04:40,329 --> 01:04:37,680
um and I just had to Google when was

1451
01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:40,339
radar created and used in the Air Force

1452
01:04:45,770 --> 01:04:43,680
because I do not know the answer to that

1453
01:04:48,170 --> 01:04:45,780
um was any of this tracked on radar

1454
01:04:51,530 --> 01:04:48,180
prior to them seeing it visually or were

1455
01:04:53,930 --> 01:04:51,540
they able to it almost certainly was

1456
01:04:55,849 --> 01:04:53,940
tracked okay

1457
01:04:58,730 --> 01:04:55,859
um I was a writer technician in the Navy

1458
01:05:01,870 --> 01:04:58,740
as you know uh but

1459
01:05:07,069 --> 01:05:01,880
the ability to record

1460
01:05:09,650 --> 01:05:07,079
radar data right for later use that came

1461
01:05:12,950 --> 01:05:09,660
a lot later you only have the testimony

1462
01:05:14,210 --> 01:05:12,960
of the people who were observing it at

1463
01:05:17,510 --> 01:05:14,220
the time

1464
01:05:19,030 --> 01:05:17,520
so no there there is no

1465
01:05:22,250 --> 01:05:19,040
uh

1466
01:05:25,490 --> 01:05:22,260
radar data that's down on paper

1467
01:05:29,150 --> 01:05:25,500
somewhere that that we can dredge up we

1468
01:05:31,609 --> 01:05:29,160
don't have that from the from 1948.

1469
01:05:34,730 --> 01:05:31,619
um but yeah we had radar obviously we

1470
01:05:36,829 --> 01:05:34,740
were tracking everything all the time it

1471
01:05:39,410 --> 01:05:36,839
was mostly done vocally and if you don't

1472
01:05:44,450 --> 01:05:39,420
get a record of somebody talking about

1473
01:05:45,530 --> 01:05:44,460
it that was saved then you don't have

1474
01:05:47,870 --> 01:05:45,540
that

1475
01:05:50,750 --> 01:05:47,880
but this was an absolutely real sighting

1476
01:05:54,589 --> 01:05:50,760
it was on radar that that's why planes

1477
01:05:55,970 --> 01:05:54,599
were dispatched you know it there was

1478
01:05:58,609 --> 01:05:55,980
something going on there was something

1479
01:06:01,309 --> 01:05:58,619
up there yeah but no we don't have the

1480
01:06:03,230 --> 01:06:01,319
level of detail we have with

1481
01:06:04,910 --> 01:06:03,240
um a lot of later cases that we've

1482
01:06:07,190 --> 01:06:04,920
investigated and studied at the debrief

1483
01:06:10,910 --> 01:06:07,200
you know we we don't have the actual

1484
01:06:12,109 --> 01:06:10,920
tracks we don't have altitude or things

1485
01:06:14,990 --> 01:06:12,119
like that

1486
01:06:17,210 --> 01:06:15,000
everything does rely on the witnesses

1487
01:06:20,569 --> 01:06:17,220
relies on the pilots

1488
01:06:23,450 --> 01:06:20,579
the the really remarkable part and these

1489
01:06:24,470 --> 01:06:23,460
are three different Pilots with a long

1490
01:06:27,650 --> 01:06:24,480
record

1491
01:06:30,230 --> 01:06:27,660
and they launched the circling pattern

1492
01:06:32,210 --> 01:06:30,240
that they were trying to chase it and it

1493
01:06:35,270 --> 01:06:32,220
would suddenly jump up and drop behind

1494
01:06:37,190 --> 01:06:35,280
them and start chasing them again

1495
01:06:39,829 --> 01:06:37,200
and then it took off

1496
01:06:41,690 --> 01:06:39,839
and these are pilots that are relatively

1497
01:06:44,990 --> 01:06:41,700
short distance who said

1498
01:06:47,450 --> 01:06:45,000
yeah the speed of the object was

1499
01:06:48,529 --> 01:06:47,460
around 80 miles an hour when it was

1500
01:06:51,109 --> 01:06:48,539
circling

1501
01:06:52,970 --> 01:06:51,119
over Andrews

1502
01:06:55,510 --> 01:06:52,980
and then it took off

1503
01:07:01,730 --> 01:06:55,520
and it flew off at at least

1504
01:07:04,670 --> 01:07:01,740
500 miles an hour wow what did we have

1505
01:07:09,410 --> 01:07:04,680
in the late 1940s

1506
01:07:10,490 --> 01:07:09,420
that could do more than 500 miles an

1507
01:07:14,569 --> 01:07:10,500
hour

1508
01:07:17,029 --> 01:07:14,579
it just took off and disappeared

1509
01:07:18,650 --> 01:07:17,039
and that's one of the most at least in

1510
01:07:20,470 --> 01:07:18,660
my opinion one of the most powerfully

1511
01:07:23,809 --> 01:07:20,480
compelling

1512
01:07:26,089 --> 01:07:23,819
bits of testimonial evidence

1513
01:07:28,609 --> 01:07:26,099
from actual pilots who flew some of the

1514
01:07:30,230 --> 01:07:28,619
best planes of that time and they're

1515
01:07:33,170 --> 01:07:30,240
like

1516
01:07:36,349 --> 01:07:33,180
wait on out I I don't know what the hell

1517
01:07:37,849 --> 01:07:36,359
that was it out maneuvered us it was way

1518
01:07:39,950 --> 01:07:37,859
faster than us

1519
01:07:41,750 --> 01:07:39,960
and still there were people inside a

1520
01:07:43,730 --> 01:07:41,760
blue book who came back and said oh

1521
01:07:46,430 --> 01:07:43,740
that's probably a balloon

1522
01:07:47,950 --> 01:07:46,440
really you got a balloon doing that

1523
01:07:53,630 --> 01:07:47,960
really

1524
01:07:57,529 --> 01:07:53,640
it's I I'm sorry I'm credulous uh

1525
01:08:00,410 --> 01:07:57,539
that does that that sounds like you

1526
01:08:03,230 --> 01:08:00,420
you're given a balloon a lot of credit

1527
01:08:06,410 --> 01:08:03,240
at that point yeah tell me about it man

1528
01:08:08,690 --> 01:08:06,420
yeah I mean wasn't it I think even in

1529
01:08:10,730 --> 01:08:08,700
the article one of the one of the pilots

1530
01:08:14,270 --> 01:08:10,740
kind of concluded his thoughts saying

1531
01:08:16,130 --> 01:08:14,280
this was not a balloon give me a gosh

1532
01:08:18,349 --> 01:08:16,140
darn break on that oh that no that

1533
01:08:20,150 --> 01:08:18,359
wasn't one of the pilots no none of the

1534
01:08:22,430 --> 01:08:20,160
pilots thought it was a balloon yeah

1535
01:08:24,729 --> 01:08:22,440
that one thing you're referring to that

1536
01:08:28,130 --> 01:08:24,739
was one of the Blue Book investigators

1537
01:08:30,590 --> 01:08:28,140
responding to another investigator who

1538
01:08:32,990 --> 01:08:30,600
said this this might be a balloon we

1539
01:08:34,910 --> 01:08:33,000
should check that out and another one of

1540
01:08:37,849 --> 01:08:34,920
the Blue Book investigators came in and

1541
01:08:40,490 --> 01:08:37,859
put in a one sentence thing right on the

1542
01:08:42,769 --> 01:08:40,500
end of that and the next page going

1543
01:08:45,709 --> 01:08:42,779
this wasn't a weather balloon

1544
01:08:47,329 --> 01:08:45,719
because that that's a hell of a lot to

1545
01:08:50,870 --> 01:08:47,339
expect from balloon

1546
01:08:53,570 --> 01:08:50,880
so yeah I I I still think man I I hope

1547
01:08:57,650 --> 01:08:53,580
you have friends that are

1548
01:09:00,169 --> 01:08:57,660
like in the industry that do a lot of

1549
01:09:02,390 --> 01:09:00,179
documentaries about these things we have

1550
01:09:05,689 --> 01:09:02,400
seen so many cases about like um

1551
01:09:08,150 --> 01:09:05,699
incident 17 was Kenneth Arnold everybody

1552
01:09:09,050 --> 01:09:08,160
knows about that there's a bunch of

1553
01:09:11,329 --> 01:09:09,060
others

1554
01:09:13,189 --> 01:09:11,339
I think this one is right up there on

1555
01:09:15,229 --> 01:09:13,199
the top of the list and I would love to

1556
01:09:17,990 --> 01:09:15,239
see somebody in the industry get out

1557
01:09:21,349 --> 01:09:18,000
there and go take this article I publish

1558
01:09:24,709 --> 01:09:21,359
dig into it we got the names I have

1559
01:09:26,150 --> 01:09:24,719
names of descendants of these people who

1560
01:09:28,309 --> 01:09:26,160
didn't want to be quoted in the article

1561
01:09:29,809 --> 01:09:28,319
but they're willing to talk about it I

1562
01:09:31,789 --> 01:09:29,819
would love to see somebody put something

1563
01:09:34,309 --> 01:09:31,799
together about this and put it out for

1564
01:09:36,169 --> 01:09:34,319
people to see because I honestly believe

1565
01:09:39,229 --> 01:09:36,179
this is this is one of the more

1566
01:09:43,789 --> 01:09:39,239
remarkable cases that is so undercovered

1567
01:09:45,289 --> 01:09:43,799
in the entire subject just me but I've

1568
01:09:48,530 --> 01:09:45,299
been doing this a long time just like

1569
01:09:51,349 --> 01:09:48,540
you have and yeah this is a crazy one

1570
01:09:54,830 --> 01:09:51,359
that has received very little attention

1571
01:09:56,990 --> 01:09:54,840
it's fantastic I'll I'm on it I'm on it

1572
01:09:58,970 --> 01:09:57,000
I'm gonna get the word out um well guys

1573
01:10:01,790 --> 01:09:58,980
you can read the whole article it should

1574
01:10:05,090 --> 01:10:01,800
be in the show notes below if not um

1575
01:10:07,850 --> 01:10:05,100
just go over to the debrief.org and go

1576
01:10:10,070 --> 01:10:07,860
to the UAP section the UAP tab it should

1577
01:10:12,229 --> 01:10:10,080
be one of the first stories over on that

1578
01:10:15,050 --> 01:10:12,239
tab right now guys um check it out

1579
01:10:17,870 --> 01:10:15,060
incident 207 Tic Tac over Washington

1580
01:10:19,910 --> 01:10:17,880
great job Jazz great job man thank you

1581
01:10:21,229 --> 01:10:19,920
so happy you brought that to my

1582
01:10:22,850 --> 01:10:21,239
attention as well

1583
01:10:25,790 --> 01:10:22,860
um I can't wait to start digging myself

1584
01:10:28,490 --> 01:10:25,800
but um let's dig let's move into

1585
01:10:30,649 --> 01:10:28,500
podcasts highlights of the week if you

1586
01:10:32,209 --> 01:10:30,659
don't mind oh yeah yeah these are going

1587
01:10:34,550 --> 01:10:32,219
to be fun you know this part of the show

1588
01:10:38,590 --> 01:10:34,560
people love it where we highlight a lot

1589
01:10:41,209 --> 01:10:38,600
of the UFO related or um space Tech

1590
01:10:43,910 --> 01:10:41,219
unexplained related podcasts and YouTube

1591
01:10:47,450 --> 01:10:43,920
channels from this past week

1592
01:10:51,050 --> 01:10:47,460
um so let's see what we got here we are

1593
01:10:52,910 --> 01:10:51,060
starting as usual with weaponized um

1594
01:10:55,070 --> 01:10:52,920
these guys are just cranking them out

1595
01:10:56,450 --> 01:10:55,080
every week and this was an interesting

1596
01:10:58,550 --> 01:10:56,460
episode it was one of the first ones

1597
01:11:01,010 --> 01:10:58,560
that they did over there Jeremy Corbell

1598
01:11:03,709 --> 01:11:01,020
and George Knapp um that was strictly

1599
01:11:06,050 --> 01:11:03,719
just audio and it was kind of a

1600
01:11:09,530 --> 01:11:06,060
follow-up to their episode before that

1601
01:11:13,189 --> 01:11:09,540
about the uh Baghdad Phantom UAP release

1602
01:11:17,570 --> 01:11:13,199
that they did and man did that thing

1603
01:11:19,729 --> 01:11:17,580
start a firestorm online

1604
01:11:22,550 --> 01:11:19,739
um I kind of got myself into a little

1605
01:11:25,430 --> 01:11:22,560
trouble by making a knee-jerk video

1606
01:11:26,870 --> 01:11:25,440
about it being a missile and you

1607
01:11:29,870 --> 01:11:26,880
actually were the first person to point

1608
01:11:32,390 --> 01:11:29,880
out to me that I don't think it's so

1609
01:11:35,510 --> 01:11:32,400
much a missile but it could be something

1610
01:11:38,030 --> 01:11:35,520
semi-related to that but I got ripped

1611
01:11:39,709 --> 01:11:38,040
apart by a lot of people for doing that

1612
01:11:41,110 --> 01:11:39,719
and I kind of regret doing it to be

1613
01:11:43,430 --> 01:11:41,120
completely honest I should have actually

1614
01:11:45,350 --> 01:11:43,440
uh done my homework before I did that

1615
01:11:49,370 --> 01:11:45,360
because when I listened gotta be bold

1616
01:11:52,130 --> 01:11:49,380
Ryan I know I know but hey this is why

1617
01:11:54,350 --> 01:11:52,140
you know we need the facts and the data

1618
01:11:56,990 --> 01:11:54,360
uh before we start making assumptions

1619
01:11:58,550 --> 01:11:57,000
and when I listened to this most recent

1620
01:11:59,510 --> 01:11:58,560
episode with Jeremy corwell and George

1621
01:12:02,689 --> 01:11:59,520
Knapp

1622
01:12:04,550 --> 01:12:02,699
um it was put into more context and uh

1623
01:12:05,990 --> 01:12:04,560
and they gave us a little bit more

1624
01:12:07,669 --> 01:12:06,000
information

1625
01:12:10,130 --> 01:12:07,679
um so I'm going to go ahead Jazz and

1626
01:12:11,390 --> 01:12:10,140
play the first clip here this is Jeremy

1627
01:12:13,550 --> 01:12:11,400
talking about

1628
01:12:16,910 --> 01:12:13,560
um the Baghdad Phantom and and an

1629
01:12:19,669 --> 01:12:16,920
anonymous individual familiar with this

1630
01:12:22,310 --> 01:12:19,679
incident actually reached out to corbel

1631
01:12:23,689 --> 01:12:22,320
so let me go ahead and play that right

1632
01:12:25,430 --> 01:12:23,699
now and we'll talk about it on the other

1633
01:12:28,790 --> 01:12:25,440
side sound good

1634
01:12:31,910 --> 01:12:28,800
go all right we've recently heard from

1635
01:12:34,310 --> 01:12:31,920
an individual who is extremely familiar

1636
01:12:36,950 --> 01:12:34,320
with this event and not just one

1637
01:12:39,590 --> 01:12:36,960
numerous but one stuck out and this one

1638
01:12:43,010 --> 01:12:39,600
really struck me the individual is like

1639
01:12:45,830 --> 01:12:43,020
I don't know who your sources are don't

1640
01:12:49,669 --> 01:12:45,840
want to know but they're good and and he

1641
01:12:53,390 --> 01:12:49,679
I could say he said we had every sensor

1642
01:12:55,910 --> 01:12:53,400
package known to man and God on this

1643
01:12:58,910 --> 01:12:55,920
thing couldn't determine where it came

1644
01:13:02,330 --> 01:12:58,920
from couldn't determine where it left to

1645
01:13:04,430 --> 01:13:02,340
was not a rocket it was not a missile

1646
01:13:06,229 --> 01:13:04,440
so so that was that was very interesting

1647
01:13:08,390 --> 01:13:06,239
but but also

1648
01:13:11,270 --> 01:13:08,400
if people look at what we wrote on

1649
01:13:12,410 --> 01:13:11,280
weaponized on the website you'll notice

1650
01:13:14,630 --> 01:13:12,420
there's a little bit more information

1651
01:13:16,790 --> 01:13:14,640
than you just get out through some of

1652
01:13:18,229 --> 01:13:16,800
the media the excellent media articles

1653
01:13:20,570 --> 01:13:18,239
by the way like the one in the daily

1654
01:13:22,970 --> 01:13:20,580
mail those guys smashed it super

1655
01:13:25,550 --> 01:13:22,980
accurate verified everything with me

1656
01:13:27,169 --> 01:13:25,560
but you'll see additional details one of

1657
01:13:29,810 --> 01:13:27,179
those additional details there were

1658
01:13:32,510 --> 01:13:29,820
three one of the additional details was

1659
01:13:35,149 --> 01:13:32,520
that this was not an isolated event that

1660
01:13:37,850 --> 01:13:35,159
was occurring within this 24-hour period

1661
01:13:41,810 --> 01:13:37,860
so I will say that there are other

1662
01:13:44,450 --> 01:13:41,820
videos and images contained surrounding

1663
01:13:47,870 --> 01:13:44,460
this event series and I think anybody

1664
01:13:49,310 --> 01:13:47,880
who has access internally to this kind

1665
01:13:50,830 --> 01:13:49,320
of stuff should look into it and

1666
01:13:53,030 --> 01:13:50,840
hopefully that stuff can become public

1667
01:13:55,370 --> 01:13:53,040
it should be public it should be

1668
01:13:57,169 --> 01:13:55,380
transmitted up the chain of command and

1669
01:13:59,090 --> 01:13:57,179
go to Arrow they should have it in their

1670
01:14:02,030 --> 01:13:59,100
files we happen to know that they do not

1671
01:14:04,310 --> 01:14:02,040
we are not calling it a UAP we did not

1672
01:14:06,229 --> 01:14:04,320
do that analysis we have no particular

1673
01:14:08,750 --> 01:14:06,239
expertise that was the U.S Air Force

1674
01:14:12,590 --> 01:14:08,760
that did and there are other images like

1675
01:14:14,209 --> 01:14:12,600
as you said uh in of a similar type and

1676
01:14:16,790 --> 01:14:14,219
that information should be going up the

1677
01:14:18,110 --> 01:14:16,800
chain make its way to arrow and make its

1678
01:14:19,910 --> 01:14:18,120
way to the American public and to

1679
01:14:21,470 --> 01:14:19,920
Congress so they can all see what

1680
01:14:23,570 --> 01:14:21,480
information is being gathered out there

1681
01:14:27,130 --> 01:14:23,580
and it's not happening that was the

1682
01:14:31,669 --> 01:14:29,630
so yeah a lot of people in the chat are

1683
01:14:34,010 --> 01:14:31,679
saying was this audio only yeah their

1684
01:14:36,590 --> 01:14:34,020
episode this week guys was Audio Only

1685
01:14:38,750 --> 01:14:36,600
but um some little gems in there um you

1686
01:14:41,030 --> 01:14:38,760
know the fact that they're saying that

1687
01:14:43,790 --> 01:14:41,040
this is part of a series of events Jazz

1688
01:14:45,590 --> 01:14:43,800
so this was not an isolated event

1689
01:14:48,290 --> 01:14:45,600
um possibly we're gonna learn more about

1690
01:14:50,630 --> 01:14:48,300
what's going on over in Baghdad

1691
01:14:53,810 --> 01:14:50,640
um and and also in

1692
01:14:56,570 --> 01:14:53,820
um masul as well in Iraq uh that's their

1693
01:14:58,850 --> 01:14:56,580
last drop before that was there too so

1694
01:15:01,490 --> 01:14:58,860
we're getting a lot of UAP from combat

1695
01:15:02,750 --> 01:15:01,500
zones and um yeah what do you make what

1696
01:15:04,850 --> 01:15:02,760
do you make of this clip and them

1697
01:15:06,470 --> 01:15:04,860
talking about the Baghdad Phantom what

1698
01:15:09,229 --> 01:15:06,480
is it do you still think it could

1699
01:15:12,970 --> 01:15:09,239
possibly be something connected to a

1700
01:15:16,189 --> 01:15:12,980
missile or or anything like that

1701
01:15:20,030 --> 01:15:16,199
uh my opinion really hasn't changed from

1702
01:15:21,590 --> 01:15:20,040
the moment that it came out you know

1703
01:15:27,229 --> 01:15:21,600
um

1704
01:15:30,830 --> 01:15:27,239
I do not deny that Jeremy Corbell and

1705
01:15:32,390 --> 01:15:30,840
Georgia Knapp have had great sources in

1706
01:15:34,070 --> 01:15:32,400
the past who have come up with stuff

1707
01:15:36,709 --> 01:15:34,080
that have been confirmed by the Pentagon

1708
01:15:39,050 --> 01:15:36,719
they have pretty good sources

1709
01:15:40,490 --> 01:15:39,060
but that doesn't mean that you get a

1710
01:15:41,870 --> 01:15:40,500
carte blanche

1711
01:15:45,770 --> 01:15:41,880
you know

1712
01:15:49,970 --> 01:15:45,780
um we watched that video well videos not

1713
01:15:51,470 --> 01:15:49,980
the right word we watched a series of a

1714
01:15:57,169 --> 01:15:51,480
few millisecond

1715
01:16:01,010 --> 01:15:57,179
s stills of something long and skinny

1716
01:16:03,709 --> 01:16:01,020
going through the air over a combat zone

1717
01:16:05,350 --> 01:16:03,719
um that's all we had they never gave

1718
01:16:09,950 --> 01:16:05,360
anything else

1719
01:16:14,030 --> 01:16:09,960
uh do I think it's real

1720
01:16:15,950 --> 01:16:14,040
I I I'm totally willing to give Jeremy

1721
01:16:18,709 --> 01:16:15,960
Corbell and George Knapp

1722
01:16:20,450 --> 01:16:18,719
credit and say yeah you wouldn't put out

1723
01:16:22,669 --> 01:16:20,460
something that was just something that

1724
01:16:24,050 --> 01:16:22,679
was hoaxed it was probably a real

1725
01:16:25,910 --> 01:16:24,060
recording

1726
01:16:28,310 --> 01:16:25,920
what was it

1727
01:16:30,290 --> 01:16:28,320
right from the beginning Ryan I have

1728
01:16:33,410 --> 01:16:30,300
said I look at that

1729
01:16:35,750 --> 01:16:33,420
and it is a long straight thing that's

1730
01:16:40,910 --> 01:16:35,760
going through the air assuming there

1731
01:16:43,630 --> 01:16:40,920
isn't it there but it does dip

1732
01:16:48,050 --> 01:16:43,640
buy several pixels towards the end

1733
01:16:50,209 --> 01:16:48,060
exhibiting potentially ballistic motion

1734
01:16:51,890 --> 01:16:50,219
that could have been a railgun

1735
01:16:56,630 --> 01:16:51,900
projectile

1736
01:16:59,330 --> 01:16:56,640
it and it wouldn't have to have a uh a

1737
01:17:01,850 --> 01:16:59,340
blast from a jet behind it because rail

1738
01:17:04,370 --> 01:17:01,860
gun projectors don't do we know that's

1739
01:17:07,189 --> 01:17:04,380
what it is no we don't know

1740
01:17:12,410 --> 01:17:07,199
but it also wasn't really that weird it

1741
01:17:15,410 --> 01:17:12,420
didn't look like a Tic Tac or it looked

1742
01:17:19,910 --> 01:17:15,420
like a missile yeah really and it was

1743
01:17:23,450 --> 01:17:19,920
over not but to find a point on it a war

1744
01:17:24,830 --> 01:17:23,460
zone where we're using all sorts of

1745
01:17:28,250 --> 01:17:24,840
ornament

1746
01:17:30,410 --> 01:17:28,260
and our adversaries are using all sorts

1747
01:17:32,570 --> 01:17:30,420
of environment

1748
01:17:34,550 --> 01:17:32,580
um no I don't have an answer for it if

1749
01:17:38,510 --> 01:17:34,560
anybody's waiting to say oh that's

1750
01:17:41,930 --> 01:17:38,520
totally fake or no that's totally UFO

1751
01:17:44,570 --> 01:17:41,940
no we don't know but I also question

1752
01:17:48,830 --> 01:17:44,580
anybody who says we do know

1753
01:17:51,290 --> 01:17:48,840
because there are legitimate or at least

1754
01:17:54,290 --> 01:17:51,300
one or two legitimate explanations why

1755
01:17:55,669 --> 01:17:54,300
that could be a conventional thing that

1756
01:17:56,810 --> 01:17:55,679
our government doesn't want to talk

1757
01:18:00,590 --> 01:17:56,820
about

1758
01:18:02,390 --> 01:18:00,600
or maybe it could be something weird but

1759
01:18:03,950 --> 01:18:02,400
no I'm not putting a lot of stock in

1760
01:18:06,530 --> 01:18:03,960
that at this point it's one of those

1761
01:18:08,330 --> 01:18:06,540
that need more data let's collect more

1762
01:18:11,209 --> 01:18:08,340
data and come back to it that's where I

1763
01:18:12,890 --> 01:18:11,219
am right now yep absolutely and I think

1764
01:18:15,649 --> 01:18:12,900
kind of the message that they were

1765
01:18:18,590 --> 01:18:15,659
trying to convey in this to is that we

1766
01:18:20,149 --> 01:18:18,600
have this stuff we don't know what it is

1767
01:18:24,050 --> 01:18:20,159
um but we're giving it out to the public

1768
01:18:27,169 --> 01:18:24,060
because Arrow isn't looking into the

1769
01:18:29,390 --> 01:18:27,179
muscle or arrow is not looking into the

1770
01:18:31,430 --> 01:18:29,400
Baghdad Phantom they weren't even aware

1771
01:18:33,590 --> 01:18:31,440
of the Baghdad Phantom I don't know

1772
01:18:36,050 --> 01:18:33,600
they've been given that data

1773
01:18:38,330 --> 01:18:36,060
right I don't think they have been

1774
01:18:40,669 --> 01:18:38,340
honestly I think they're working on very

1775
01:18:41,990 --> 01:18:40,679
little to be to be completely honest I

1776
01:18:43,550 --> 01:18:42,000
think they were given Stills I think

1777
01:18:45,350 --> 01:18:43,560
they might have gotten some videos but I

1778
01:18:47,149 --> 01:18:45,360
don't think they were given much context

1779
01:18:50,689 --> 01:18:47,159
or data for many of these things they're

1780
01:18:52,970 --> 01:18:50,699
dropping that's fine it's fine no it's

1781
01:18:55,370 --> 01:18:52,980
not fine in my opinion they need to be

1782
01:18:57,350 --> 01:18:55,380
given everything

1783
01:19:01,250 --> 01:18:57,360
to be able to do the mission they were

1784
01:19:04,010 --> 01:19:01,260
given by Congress they're being funded

1785
01:19:06,050 --> 01:19:04,020
by Congress they should have all of this

1786
01:19:08,930 --> 01:19:06,060
data I'm not saying we need to get it

1787
01:19:12,050 --> 01:19:08,940
all immediately if it's sensitive but

1788
01:19:15,110 --> 01:19:12,060
they should have it all and Ryan I am

1789
01:19:18,110 --> 01:19:15,120
not convinced that arrow is getting all

1790
01:19:20,630 --> 01:19:18,120
the data they need I'm I'm just I have

1791
01:19:22,490 --> 01:19:20,640
no basis for that but I'm not convinced

1792
01:19:24,410 --> 01:19:22,500
they're getting all of it yeah yeah

1793
01:19:27,530 --> 01:19:24,420
you're right and I should correct myself

1794
01:19:30,290 --> 01:19:27,540
Jazz I met Jeremy and nap I don't think

1795
01:19:33,830 --> 01:19:30,300
they are getting any data on the things

1796
01:19:35,810 --> 01:19:33,840
they were given but Arrow yes absolutely

1797
01:19:39,110 --> 01:19:35,820
should be so I think this is kind of

1798
01:19:42,770 --> 01:19:39,120
like a call call out to Arrow like come

1799
01:19:46,070 --> 01:19:42,780
on like we at weaponized have this and

1800
01:19:49,669 --> 01:19:46,080
you you don't like why are we doing your

1801
01:19:51,950 --> 01:19:49,679
work for you right exactly like whatever

1802
01:19:54,110 --> 01:19:51,960
people will say Jeremy and George are

1803
01:19:56,330 --> 01:19:54,120
you know they're you they're milking all

1804
01:19:58,850 --> 01:19:56,340
of this for a podcast start making money

1805
01:20:01,250 --> 01:19:58,860
this that we can have those arguments

1806
01:20:04,370 --> 01:20:01,260
and talk about that till you know we're

1807
01:20:07,189 --> 01:20:04,380
we're red or blue in the face but um the

1808
01:20:08,930 --> 01:20:07,199
fact of the matter is this stuff is not

1809
01:20:11,450 --> 01:20:08,940
getting to the groups that it should be

1810
01:20:14,030 --> 01:20:11,460
within the government so whoever's

1811
01:20:16,130 --> 01:20:14,040
giving this stuff to nap and Corbell

1812
01:20:19,910 --> 01:20:16,140
clearly wants it out to the public

1813
01:20:22,430 --> 01:20:19,920
whether Arrow or or you know this new

1814
01:20:24,649 --> 01:20:22,440
interagency within the White House

1815
01:20:26,990 --> 01:20:24,659
whether they like it or not

1816
01:20:30,229 --> 01:20:27,000
um so it's interesting it's interesting

1817
01:20:32,270 --> 01:20:30,239
I I I I look forward to whatever comes

1818
01:20:34,370 --> 01:20:32,280
next and we'll we have Fourier requests

1819
01:20:36,890 --> 01:20:34,380
in with the people who are supposed to

1820
01:20:39,950 --> 01:20:36,900
be responsible for looking at this we

1821
01:20:42,050 --> 01:20:39,960
got nothing yet not even a denial just

1822
01:20:44,570 --> 01:20:42,060
nothing no answer

1823
01:20:46,310 --> 01:20:44,580
yep yeah it's interesting that too how

1824
01:20:49,810 --> 01:20:46,320
you know they went from confirming

1825
01:20:51,770 --> 01:20:49,820
everything to now and Silent yeah

1826
01:20:53,630 --> 01:20:51,780
interesting my friend

1827
01:20:55,189 --> 01:20:53,640
Um well hey let's move on to our next

1828
01:20:57,950 --> 01:20:55,199
clip here

1829
01:21:00,350 --> 01:20:57,960
um this comes from the Lido files Chris

1830
01:21:01,790 --> 01:21:00,360
Leto the fighter pilots doing a

1831
01:21:03,110 --> 01:21:01,800
wonderful job over on his YouTube

1832
01:21:05,390 --> 01:21:03,120
channel and he actually had another

1833
01:21:07,729 --> 01:21:05,400
fighter pilot on this past week talking

1834
01:21:10,070 --> 01:21:07,739
to Ryan Graves from the East Coast

1835
01:21:11,990 --> 01:21:10,080
events the gimbal the go fast

1836
01:21:15,110 --> 01:21:12,000
um and there's been a lot of debate

1837
01:21:17,090 --> 01:21:15,120
online from a lot of the Skeptics

1838
01:21:19,130 --> 01:21:17,100
um because Ryan has been quoted In

1839
01:21:22,610 --> 01:21:19,140
Articles and whatnot and then the media

1840
01:21:24,709 --> 01:21:22,620
saying that he saw these UFOs he saw

1841
01:21:26,930 --> 01:21:24,719
these UAP and everyone's saying whoa

1842
01:21:29,030 --> 01:21:26,940
whoa whoa like he didn't physically see

1843
01:21:30,290 --> 01:21:29,040
these things why is he saying he's a UFO

1844
01:21:32,630 --> 01:21:30,300
witness

1845
01:21:33,830 --> 01:21:32,640
um so he kind of Lido asked him this

1846
01:21:35,570 --> 01:21:33,840
straight up

1847
01:21:36,950 --> 01:21:35,580
um so I'm gonna go ahead and um play the

1848
01:21:38,209 --> 01:21:36,960
clip and

1849
01:21:39,830 --> 01:21:38,219
um I want to get your thoughts on this

1850
01:21:41,750 --> 01:21:39,840
on the other side as well as the

1851
01:21:43,370 --> 01:21:41,760
audience because this is a debate that's

1852
01:21:46,070 --> 01:21:43,380
been going going on for a while

1853
01:21:48,410 --> 01:21:46,080
um when you say you saw something do

1854
01:21:51,229 --> 01:21:48,420
sensors count um so let's let's look at

1855
01:21:52,430 --> 01:21:51,239
the clip I mentioned in or sorry in your

1856
01:21:55,729 --> 01:21:52,440
Politico

1857
01:21:56,930 --> 01:21:55,739
article basically it says uh you say at

1858
01:21:59,030 --> 01:21:56,940
the end you know this is the phenomenon

1859
01:22:01,370 --> 01:21:59,040
I witnessed and I noticed on Twitter of

1860
01:22:04,130 --> 01:22:01,380
course it you know it inspires a you

1861
01:22:05,750 --> 01:22:04,140
know whatever tweet storm about uh

1862
01:22:07,550 --> 01:22:05,760
you know you didn't actually visually

1863
01:22:09,530 --> 01:22:07,560
see it

1864
01:22:12,530 --> 01:22:09,540
um but I guess uh I got the impression

1865
01:22:14,149 --> 01:22:12,540
that by witnessing it is you're seeing

1866
01:22:16,669 --> 01:22:14,159
it with with all your sensors so

1867
01:22:18,290 --> 01:22:16,679
basically all the jet sensors that we

1868
01:22:20,750 --> 01:22:18,300
trained to you for so many years you

1869
01:22:22,430 --> 01:22:20,760
know you where you get to know the the

1870
01:22:25,130 --> 01:22:22,440
radar warning receiver you know you can

1871
01:22:28,430 --> 01:22:25,140
tell how far away your wingman is by you

1872
01:22:30,709 --> 01:22:28,440
know the tickle from his radar et cetera

1873
01:22:32,330 --> 01:22:30,719
um so when how many times do you think

1874
01:22:34,550 --> 01:22:32,340
you you tried to go and merge with these

1875
01:22:35,810 --> 01:22:34,560
things you know and and you should have

1876
01:22:37,729 --> 01:22:35,820
been in range you know could it have

1877
01:22:40,250 --> 01:22:37,739
been a balloon I guess could it in any

1878
01:22:42,770 --> 01:22:40,260
way could these have been balloons so we

1879
01:22:45,050 --> 01:22:42,780
I mean I've identified and flown up and

1880
01:22:47,090 --> 01:22:45,060
merged with balloons before

1881
01:22:47,750 --> 01:22:47,100
um you know it's not that

1882
01:22:49,550 --> 01:22:47,760
um

1883
01:22:50,810 --> 01:22:49,560
exciting or controversial you know I

1884
01:22:52,010 --> 01:22:50,820
mean you typically see the object out

1885
01:22:54,290 --> 01:22:52,020
there and it's drifting with the wind

1886
01:22:55,970 --> 01:22:54,300
and you know you lock it up and

1887
01:22:56,870 --> 01:22:55,980
if you're feeling real spicy you want to

1888
01:22:58,430 --> 01:22:56,880
check it out then that's something you

1889
01:23:00,169 --> 01:22:58,440
can do or you know typically the

1890
01:23:02,510 --> 01:23:00,179
balloons I've seen are usually you know

1891
01:23:03,470 --> 01:23:02,520
surprises more than anything else on

1892
01:23:05,090 --> 01:23:03,480
occasion

1893
01:23:08,750 --> 01:23:05,100
um but

1894
01:23:10,370 --> 01:23:08,760
you know yeah I mean as you know we try

1895
01:23:12,229 --> 01:23:10,380
we put our lives on these systems we

1896
01:23:13,610 --> 01:23:12,239
operate in very dangerous situations

1897
01:23:16,189 --> 01:23:13,620
where those are the only things between

1898
01:23:18,350 --> 01:23:16,199
life and death are those systems

1899
01:23:22,790 --> 01:23:21,350
when we then make the assumption that um

1900
01:23:25,430 --> 01:23:22,800
because I didn't physically see the

1901
01:23:27,709 --> 01:23:25,440
eyeball that negates you know the entire

1902
01:23:30,229 --> 01:23:27,719
experience the same argument would be

1903
01:23:32,209 --> 01:23:30,239
true if it was the exact opposite right

1904
01:23:33,830 --> 01:23:32,219
so if I only saw it with my eyeballs and

1905
01:23:35,390 --> 01:23:33,840
not with the sensor systems or any any

1906
01:23:36,709 --> 01:23:35,400
variant of there's you know going to be

1907
01:23:38,870 --> 01:23:36,719
problems but

1908
01:23:41,030 --> 01:23:38,880
um yes we would see it on the sensors me

1909
01:23:43,370 --> 01:23:41,040
personally I interacted with them on the

1910
01:23:45,590 --> 01:23:43,380
flear and the radar I try to merge with

1911
01:23:47,689 --> 01:23:45,600
with them maybe you know eight to ten

1912
01:23:48,770 --> 01:23:47,699
times but you know eventually and of

1913
01:23:49,790 --> 01:23:48,780
course you know there's only so much

1914
01:23:51,770 --> 01:23:49,800
we're going to do and we're going to

1915
01:23:53,149 --> 01:23:51,780
just once once we almost hit the objects

1916
01:23:54,590 --> 01:23:53,159
we weren't merging with them at that

1917
01:23:56,630 --> 01:23:54,600
point we essentially just said all right

1918
01:23:58,370 --> 01:23:56,640
if it's in our subdivided working area

1919
01:24:00,290 --> 01:23:58,380
we're just gonna you know move to a new

1920
01:24:02,090 --> 01:24:00,300
working area

1921
01:24:03,590 --> 01:24:02,100
um so there's a you know a data

1922
01:24:06,229 --> 01:24:03,600
discrepancy that could be there do all

1923
01:24:08,030 --> 01:24:06,239
these objects represent physical objects

1924
01:24:10,130 --> 01:24:08,040
um it's unknown right because we haven't

1925
01:24:12,050 --> 01:24:10,140
physically seen an object there that's

1926
01:24:15,050 --> 01:24:12,060
related to every one of those radar

1927
01:24:17,750 --> 01:24:15,060
contacts uh but as attack belief or any

1928
01:24:18,890 --> 01:24:17,760
Aviator you have to assume uh that they

1929
01:24:20,390 --> 01:24:18,900
are

1930
01:24:21,830 --> 01:24:20,400
um and we need to collect more data

1931
01:24:23,510 --> 01:24:21,840
right we need to go out there we need to

1932
01:24:25,070 --> 01:24:23,520
collect more data those are efforts that

1933
01:24:27,890 --> 01:24:25,080
we're looking towards with the AI double

1934
01:24:29,990 --> 01:24:27,900
A so my my I'll just say you know I'm

1935
01:24:31,550 --> 01:24:30,000
not here to claim to have all the

1936
01:24:33,410 --> 01:24:31,560
answers but I'm claiming there's enough

1937
01:24:37,149 --> 01:24:33,420
uncertainty to go figure it out and that

1938
01:24:44,149 --> 01:24:41,390
hmm the chat's arguing here Jazz

1939
01:24:46,130 --> 01:24:44,159
um let's see Michael Huntington says

1940
01:24:48,770 --> 01:24:46,140
don't say they are eyewitnesses when

1941
01:24:51,229 --> 01:24:48,780
they are not seeing an instrumented

1942
01:24:53,750 --> 01:24:51,239
representation on a screen is not seen

1943
01:24:55,610 --> 01:24:53,760
the anonymous anomaly dalen says of

1944
01:24:58,070 --> 01:24:55,620
course sensors count if they didn't you

1945
01:25:00,350 --> 01:24:58,080
can discount all ATC and thus negate the

1946
01:25:03,530 --> 01:25:00,360
opening scene of Close Encounters of the

1947
01:25:04,790 --> 01:25:03,540
Third Kind oh good reference there

1948
01:25:06,169 --> 01:25:04,800
um what do you think Jazz what do you

1949
01:25:08,570 --> 01:25:06,179
make of this whole debate with Ryan

1950
01:25:10,850 --> 01:25:08,580
Graves and and kind of his argument that

1951
01:25:13,130 --> 01:25:10,860
the opposite would be true as well

1952
01:25:14,390 --> 01:25:13,140
well we're we're dealing with the Deep

1953
01:25:17,390 --> 01:25:14,400
past

1954
01:25:18,950 --> 01:25:17,400
um anybody who's been watching my

1955
01:25:22,250 --> 01:25:18,960
testimony online

1956
01:25:24,950 --> 01:25:22,260
I never washed anything like that in

1957
01:25:25,610 --> 01:25:24,960
real time with my bare eyes

1958
01:25:28,250 --> 01:25:25,620
um

1959
01:25:30,709 --> 01:25:28,260
I was a radar operator working on

1960
01:25:31,790 --> 01:25:30,719
aircraft carriers during that entire

1961
01:25:33,350 --> 01:25:31,800
period

1962
01:25:37,850 --> 01:25:33,360
you know

1963
01:25:39,229 --> 01:25:37,860
um but what you see on radar is not the

1964
01:25:42,530 --> 01:25:39,239
full picture

1965
01:25:44,450 --> 01:25:42,540
okay but that's important data that you

1966
01:25:48,110 --> 01:25:44,460
need to collect

1967
01:25:49,850 --> 01:25:48,120
you talk to the pilots as I have done

1968
01:25:53,270 --> 01:25:49,860
you know and

1969
01:25:56,450 --> 01:25:53,280
that adds another dimension to it

1970
01:25:58,250 --> 01:25:56,460
but none everything that's being

1971
01:26:01,189 --> 01:25:58,260
discussed here

1972
01:26:02,689 --> 01:26:01,199
I did I'm gonna drag this into the

1973
01:26:05,270 --> 01:26:02,699
conversation I guess

1974
01:26:09,770 --> 01:26:05,280
this sounds less like science and a lot

1975
01:26:11,330 --> 01:26:09,780
more like politics you know it's it it's

1976
01:26:13,970 --> 01:26:11,340
a case where

1977
01:26:14,930 --> 01:26:13,980
these people I'm not questioning any of

1978
01:26:18,530 --> 01:26:14,940
them

1979
01:26:21,709 --> 01:26:18,540
but did you actually not only get the

1980
01:26:24,950 --> 01:26:21,719
data and can you produce the data

1981
01:26:28,729 --> 01:26:24,960
of what you recorded through radar

1982
01:26:31,610 --> 01:26:28,739
through Optical through other things

1983
01:26:34,910 --> 01:26:31,620
and what you saw with your eyes

1984
01:26:37,610 --> 01:26:34,920
and does all that match up

1985
01:26:40,149 --> 01:26:37,620
if it does I think that's one of the

1986
01:26:42,830 --> 01:26:40,159
strongest cases we have

1987
01:26:45,649 --> 01:26:42,840
the ones that are being discussed in

1988
01:26:49,910 --> 01:26:47,030
um

1989
01:26:52,010 --> 01:26:49,920
I don't know it they're gray areas right

1990
01:26:55,970 --> 01:26:52,020
they're grayers

1991
01:26:57,950 --> 01:26:55,980
yep yeah I I I'm with you on that man I

1992
01:27:00,470 --> 01:26:57,960
think you know the fact of the matter is

1993
01:27:02,990 --> 01:27:00,480
like these events happened

1994
01:27:05,810 --> 01:27:03,000
um and you know we can argue to the end

1995
01:27:09,590 --> 01:27:05,820
of time like but I think you're right

1996
01:27:11,810 --> 01:27:09,600
it's either we have one the other or

1997
01:27:14,930 --> 01:27:11,820
both and we hope and we pray for both

1998
01:27:17,510 --> 01:27:14,940
every time Visual and caught on sensors

1999
01:27:19,310 --> 01:27:17,520
so yeah yeah I think you're right man

2000
01:27:22,570 --> 01:27:19,320
there's not really there's no diff

2001
01:27:25,490 --> 01:27:22,580
there's no right answer on this

2002
01:27:28,010 --> 01:27:25,500
not yet not yet

2003
01:27:29,390 --> 01:27:28,020
um awesome are we ready to move on to

2004
01:27:31,910 --> 01:27:29,400
the next clip how much longer do you

2005
01:27:37,370 --> 01:27:31,920
have Jazz I don't want to keep you you

2006
01:27:41,510 --> 01:27:39,169
um I can have some more time if I can

2007
01:27:43,910 --> 01:27:41,520
have a brief break after this next

2008
01:27:45,830 --> 01:27:43,920
segment yeah because I just have to

2009
01:27:47,510 --> 01:27:45,840
return a call to my sister yeah

2010
01:27:48,770 --> 01:27:47,520
absolutely man absolutely

2011
01:27:50,990 --> 01:27:48,780
um let's go ahead do you want me to play

2012
01:27:54,770 --> 01:27:51,000
the clip now go ahead and do it let's do

2013
01:27:57,110 --> 01:27:54,780
it so this next one uh let's see here is

2014
01:27:59,990 --> 01:27:57,120
from need to know with Bryce Sable and

2015
01:28:02,390 --> 01:28:00,000
Ross I love Bryce yeah I love I love

2016
01:28:03,950 --> 01:28:02,400
these guys and um you know they're kind

2017
01:28:06,649 --> 01:28:03,960
of having this debate over at their show

2018
01:28:08,689 --> 01:28:06,659
of will this year be the sizzle or the

2019
01:28:10,970 --> 01:28:08,699
fizzle Bryce is always The Optimist

2020
01:28:11,870 --> 01:28:10,980
wants the sizzle thinks it's it's still

2021
01:28:14,149 --> 01:28:11,880
coming

2022
01:28:15,890 --> 01:28:14,159
um Ross is kind of on the other side of

2023
01:28:17,689 --> 01:28:15,900
it and still thinks that he's he's

2024
01:28:20,030 --> 01:28:17,699
getting salty man he's getting a little

2025
01:28:22,189 --> 01:28:20,040
frustrated you can tell with a lot of

2026
01:28:25,550 --> 01:28:22,199
the non-transparency going on and a lot

2027
01:28:27,110 --> 01:28:25,560
of the claims being made with no hard

2028
01:28:28,010 --> 01:28:27,120
evidence and that's kind of what this

2029
01:28:29,510 --> 01:28:28,020
clip

2030
01:28:31,550 --> 01:28:29,520
um encapsulates so I'll go ahead and

2031
01:28:33,950 --> 01:28:31,560
play the clip now and we'll talk about

2032
01:28:36,290 --> 01:28:33,960
it on the other side sound good

2033
01:28:38,450 --> 01:28:36,300
yep all right we're not getting to see

2034
01:28:40,550 --> 01:28:38,460
the evidence and when people like Abby

2035
01:28:42,770 --> 01:28:40,560
Loeb and Sean Kirkpatrick publish papers

2036
01:28:44,510 --> 01:28:42,780
they're not publishing the full data

2037
01:28:48,050 --> 01:28:44,520
that we know is in position of the

2038
01:28:50,030 --> 01:28:48,060
Pentagon if there is to be a clear and

2039
01:28:52,430 --> 01:28:50,040
full public Reckoning on this issue then

2040
01:28:54,709 --> 01:28:52,440
all of this data needs to be revealed

2041
01:28:56,890 --> 01:28:54,719
publicly and discussed if there's

2042
01:29:01,010 --> 01:28:56,900
nothing to hide

2043
01:29:03,590 --> 01:29:01,020
why why continue to lock it up I mean

2044
01:29:05,450 --> 01:29:03,600
just today I noticed that um there's

2045
01:29:07,490 --> 01:29:05,460
been another Revelation from Jacques

2046
01:29:10,669 --> 01:29:07,500
valet's Forbidden Science Diaries volume

2047
01:29:13,370 --> 01:29:10,679
Five and it turns out that um on the

2048
01:29:18,050 --> 01:29:13,380
26th of March 2004 Jacques valet

2049
01:29:21,770 --> 01:29:18,060
recorded that um Eric Davis uh was told

2050
01:29:25,070 --> 01:29:21,780
by Bush senior President Bush senior

2051
01:29:29,750 --> 01:29:25,080
that what happened

2052
01:29:33,110 --> 01:29:29,760
um at the uh uh in the Holloman film the

2053
01:29:35,629 --> 01:29:33,120
um uh the claims of the uh is it the

2054
01:29:37,490 --> 01:29:35,639
Holloman Air Force Base right

2055
01:29:41,689 --> 01:29:37,500
um we're allegedly an alien craft

2056
01:29:44,390 --> 01:29:41,699
allegedly landed was the real thing

2057
01:29:46,189 --> 01:29:44,400
and apparently Eric was told there was a

2058
01:29:47,149 --> 01:29:46,199
secret project and the security was

2059
01:29:49,669 --> 01:29:47,159
obscene

2060
01:29:52,850 --> 01:29:49,679
well frankly whilst Jacques valet's

2061
01:29:55,729 --> 01:29:52,860
diary is hearsay evidence what should be

2062
01:29:58,729 --> 01:29:55,739
happening to get that as evidence as

2063
01:30:01,610 --> 01:29:58,739
data that we can analyze is people need

2064
01:30:03,709 --> 01:30:01,620
to be called Witnesses need to be called

2065
01:30:06,290 --> 01:30:03,719
and questioned if he hasn't been already

2066
01:30:08,629 --> 01:30:06,300
Eric Davis needs to be put before a

2067
01:30:11,450 --> 01:30:08,639
committee in the Congress and questioned

2068
01:30:13,430 --> 01:30:11,460
under oath and so for that matter does

2069
01:30:14,689 --> 01:30:13,440
anyone who knows anything about the

2070
01:30:18,490 --> 01:30:14,699
Holloman film

2071
01:30:21,590 --> 01:30:18,500
why why do we piss around with

2072
01:30:23,390 --> 01:30:21,600
secondhand hearsay all the time that's

2073
01:30:25,910 --> 01:30:23,400
my point that's what needs to be

2074
01:30:28,010 --> 01:30:25,920
happening a little activism could go a

2075
01:30:29,990 --> 01:30:28,020
long way toward demanding some of the

2076
01:30:32,030 --> 01:30:30,000
things that you're talking about and now

2077
01:30:34,010 --> 01:30:32,040
that we're actually speaking more freely

2078
01:30:37,550 --> 01:30:34,020
about it maybe that's the time and maybe

2079
01:30:39,890 --> 01:30:37,560
maybe as you know as a journalist one

2080
01:30:43,010 --> 01:30:39,900
good strong leak could quite a

2081
01:30:48,709 --> 01:30:46,129
all right there we go Ross is kind of

2082
01:30:50,810 --> 01:30:48,719
over it man he wants hard data he wants

2083
01:30:53,689 --> 01:30:50,820
all these claims these Sensational

2084
01:30:55,790 --> 01:30:53,699
claims being made he wants them to be um

2085
01:30:58,010 --> 01:30:55,800
you know put under the hot seat like

2086
01:30:59,810 --> 01:30:58,020
show us the proof show us the data put

2087
01:31:01,550 --> 01:30:59,820
them in front of Congress if if these

2088
01:31:03,530 --> 01:31:01,560
things are true Holloman Air Force Base

2089
01:31:05,450 --> 01:31:03,540
is that video real all right let's put

2090
01:31:07,010 --> 01:31:05,460
it in front of uh Congress let's put it

2091
01:31:08,209 --> 01:31:07,020
in front of Arrow

2092
01:31:10,129 --> 01:31:08,219
um we know they're looking at things

2093
01:31:12,649 --> 01:31:10,139
retroactively now they're going back to

2094
01:31:15,709 --> 01:31:12,659
the Trinity case I'm looking at talking

2095
01:31:17,209 --> 01:31:15,719
to all these uh you know technicians

2096
01:31:19,669 --> 01:31:17,219
that were involved in these nuclear

2097
01:31:21,890 --> 01:31:19,679
incidents so yeah what do you think what

2098
01:31:23,810 --> 01:31:21,900
do you make of this this clip here with

2099
01:31:27,169 --> 01:31:23,820
Ross and Bryce

2100
01:31:29,689 --> 01:31:27,179
the Holloman could certainly be possible

2101
01:31:33,410 --> 01:31:29,699
in my opinion but then again I'm always

2102
01:31:34,970 --> 01:31:33,420
kind of agnostic and in open to

2103
01:31:37,030 --> 01:31:34,980
possibilities

2104
01:31:40,250 --> 01:31:37,040
but

2105
01:31:44,750 --> 01:31:40,260
what does it matter if somebody comes

2106
01:31:46,010 --> 01:31:44,760
out and does or does not say something

2107
01:31:47,390 --> 01:31:46,020
if

2108
01:31:50,930 --> 01:31:47,400
they can't

2109
01:31:53,689 --> 01:31:50,940
produce documentation

2110
01:31:55,669 --> 01:31:53,699
you know we we've been going

2111
01:31:58,129 --> 01:31:55,679
how many times do you start

2112
01:32:02,330 --> 01:31:58,139
conversations like well this has been

2113
01:32:05,110 --> 01:32:02,340
going on since the 40s yeah well yet has

2114
01:32:08,689 --> 01:32:05,120
been going on since the 40s do you think

2115
01:32:12,610 --> 01:32:08,699
anything's really different now

2116
01:32:15,229 --> 01:32:12,620
I mean in my opinion Ryan

2117
01:32:17,689 --> 01:32:15,239
nothing's different now than it was in

2118
01:32:19,970 --> 01:32:17,699
the 40s it's a question of

2119
01:32:22,010 --> 01:32:19,980
do we know who's telling truth do we

2120
01:32:24,830 --> 01:32:22,020
know who has something to hide do we

2121
01:32:26,330 --> 01:32:24,840
know what the motivations are of anyone

2122
01:32:28,850 --> 01:32:26,340
on either side or they're trying to

2123
01:32:31,550 --> 01:32:28,860
defend National Security or they try to

2124
01:32:33,890 --> 01:32:31,560
hide things

2125
01:32:36,770 --> 01:32:33,900
I I respect the work these guys are

2126
01:32:39,370 --> 01:32:36,780
doing I absolutely do

2127
01:32:43,370 --> 01:32:39,380
but until they deliver

2128
01:32:45,530 --> 01:32:43,380
the excuse the word the deliverables and

2129
01:32:47,090 --> 01:32:45,540
actually show us some documents or

2130
01:32:50,149 --> 01:32:47,100
something like that

2131
01:32:51,229 --> 01:32:50,159
we're we're not any further forward we

2132
01:32:52,550 --> 01:32:51,239
really aren't

2133
01:32:54,050 --> 01:32:52,560
and

2134
01:33:00,490 --> 01:32:54,060
you know

2135
01:33:04,310 --> 01:33:00,500
do great work

2136
01:33:06,290 --> 01:33:04,320
but no we're we're not any closer with

2137
01:33:09,410 --> 01:33:06,300
that I

2138
01:33:11,950 --> 01:33:09,420
I I think it's one more piece in the

2139
01:33:14,990 --> 01:33:11,960
puzzle we file that away

2140
01:33:18,050 --> 01:33:15,000
and maybe it'll become useful someday

2141
01:33:21,169 --> 01:33:18,060
but it's nothing definitive right now

2142
01:33:22,790 --> 01:33:21,179
yeah absolutely man I'm with you one

2143
01:33:24,410 --> 01:33:22,800
more piece to the puzzle

2144
01:33:26,090 --> 01:33:24,420
um and it just keeps getting put in the

2145
01:33:28,970 --> 01:33:26,100
box and brought out putting the Box

2146
01:33:30,830 --> 01:33:28,980
brought out so we'll see we'll see well

2147
01:33:32,629 --> 01:33:30,840
hey man do you want to go take your your

2148
01:33:34,729 --> 01:33:32,639
break here I'll go ahead I'm gonna play

2149
01:33:37,729 --> 01:33:34,739
the Richard Dolan clip I have here which

2150
01:33:38,689 --> 01:33:37,739
kind of plays into this as well

2151
01:33:41,149 --> 01:33:38,699
um

2152
01:33:44,390 --> 01:33:41,159
would that work

2153
01:33:45,830 --> 01:33:44,400
um yeah let's do that now okay I'll go

2154
01:33:47,930 --> 01:33:45,840
ahead and play the clip you go do it

2155
01:33:50,810 --> 01:33:47,940
I'll be listening let me just take this

2156
01:33:52,850 --> 01:33:50,820
one call yep and I'll be right back do

2157
01:33:56,270 --> 01:33:52,860
your thing my man

2158
01:33:57,830 --> 01:33:56,280
all right guys so jazz is a busy guy um

2159
01:33:59,629 --> 01:33:57,840
I really do appreciate him taking the

2160
01:34:02,629 --> 01:33:59,639
time to join us tonight and go through

2161
01:34:04,490 --> 01:34:02,639
all of this it's been awesome

2162
01:34:06,410 --> 01:34:04,500
um let me go through the chat really

2163
01:34:09,050 --> 01:34:06,420
quick before I play this Dolan clip for

2164
01:34:11,030 --> 01:34:09,060
you guys see what you're saying here

2165
01:34:13,790 --> 01:34:11,040
Jake says tired of hearing about

2166
01:34:16,010 --> 01:34:13,800
eyewitness I'll take data any day I get

2167
01:34:18,290 --> 01:34:16,020
it I get it

2168
01:34:21,310 --> 01:34:18,300
um let's see let's see Michael says

2169
01:34:23,930 --> 01:34:21,320
Holloman is largely folklore

2170
01:34:26,689 --> 01:34:23,940
yeah Michael what do you make of the

2171
01:34:28,490 --> 01:34:26,699
rubber emenegger uh story about the

2172
01:34:32,510 --> 01:34:28,500
footage being put in the documentary

2173
01:34:34,610 --> 01:34:32,520
taken out put in um but yeah yeah again

2174
01:34:36,709 --> 01:34:34,620
I think Ross's whole thing is like if

2175
01:34:39,770 --> 01:34:36,719
it's true these people need to come

2176
01:34:44,270 --> 01:34:39,780
forward now is the time like now is the

2177
01:34:49,129 --> 01:34:47,209
um hello to JL there was a Tic Tac UFO

2178
01:34:51,350 --> 01:34:49,139
in southwell Skies today I only noticed

2179
01:34:52,669 --> 01:34:51,360
when going over them our our later

2180
01:34:54,229 --> 01:34:52,679
zooming in it was a take back

2181
01:34:59,990 --> 01:34:54,239
interesting

2182
01:35:01,610 --> 01:35:00,000
um reach out to me reach out to me on uh

2183
01:35:03,950 --> 01:35:01,620
the website somewhere in the skies.com

2184
01:35:05,990 --> 01:35:03,960
I'd love to learn more about that see if

2185
01:35:08,930 --> 01:35:06,000
anyone else saw it if there was any

2186
01:35:12,770 --> 01:35:08,940
footage taken yeah

2187
01:35:16,910 --> 01:35:14,689
paranormal pixie is here thank you so

2188
01:35:20,290 --> 01:35:16,920
much for the super sticker paranormal

2189
01:35:22,370 --> 01:35:20,300
really really do appreciate that

2190
01:35:24,950 --> 01:35:22,380
all right

2191
01:35:26,750 --> 01:35:24,960
um okay so let's go on to our next clip

2192
01:35:29,270 --> 01:35:26,760
here guys

2193
01:35:31,669 --> 01:35:29,280
um we have from the Richard Dolan show

2194
01:35:34,010 --> 01:35:31,679
now uh Jacques valet came out with

2195
01:35:36,050 --> 01:35:34,020
Forbidden Science five in his whole

2196
01:35:37,910 --> 01:35:36,060
Journal diary series that he's been

2197
01:35:39,290 --> 01:35:37,920
doing and a lot of things came to light

2198
01:35:41,390 --> 01:35:39,300
in that book

2199
01:35:43,250 --> 01:35:41,400
um the Holloman Air Force Base thing was

2200
01:35:45,950 --> 01:35:43,260
talked about in there that Ross touched

2201
01:35:48,050 --> 01:35:45,960
on um but also Richard Dolan did a whole

2202
01:35:50,270 --> 01:35:48,060
show this past week talking about this

2203
01:35:53,330 --> 01:35:50,280
really interesting story

2204
01:35:56,629 --> 01:35:53,340
um from Jacques valet and uh it focuses

2205
01:35:59,209 --> 01:35:56,639
on Charles bowsher a U.S comptroller

2206
01:36:01,070 --> 01:35:59,219
General who actually worked for three

2207
01:36:04,250 --> 01:36:01,080
sitting presidents

2208
01:36:07,850 --> 01:36:04,260
um so Charles bauscher he claims to have

2209
01:36:10,370 --> 01:36:07,860
known about a UFO reverse engineering

2210
01:36:12,110 --> 01:36:10,380
program something that Ross has talked

2211
01:36:14,149 --> 01:36:12,120
about in the past Dolan has talked a lot

2212
01:36:16,550 --> 01:36:14,159
about when it comes to the Wilson Davis

2213
01:36:18,110 --> 01:36:16,560
story and all that um so let me go ahead

2214
01:36:21,110 --> 01:36:18,120
and play that clip for you guys right

2215
01:36:24,169 --> 01:36:21,120
now we'll talk a little about about Mr

2216
01:36:26,870 --> 01:36:24,179
bowsher on the other side here hold on

2217
01:36:29,450 --> 01:36:26,880
one sec here we go uh valet

2218
01:36:31,729 --> 01:36:29,460
speculates or believes I think in his

2219
01:36:34,189 --> 01:36:31,739
journal that Bowser may be one of the

2220
01:36:37,790 --> 01:36:34,199
four iron posts

2221
01:36:39,470 --> 01:36:37,800
Beyond Xi'an and Wilson and here he was

2222
01:36:42,530 --> 01:36:39,480
referring to something that Hal putoff

2223
01:36:45,050 --> 01:36:42,540
had described as his four iron posts

2224
01:36:46,669 --> 01:36:45,060
essentially uh the impression you get is

2225
01:36:48,830 --> 01:36:46,679
that these are the individuals that

2226
01:36:50,629 --> 01:36:48,840
puttoff believed were the most

2227
01:36:54,830 --> 01:36:50,639
absolutely strong

2228
01:36:57,709 --> 01:36:54,840
uh individuals who knew of the existence

2229
01:36:59,629 --> 01:36:57,719
of the alien Tech reverse engineering

2230
01:37:01,910 --> 01:36:59,639
program

2231
01:37:04,430 --> 01:37:01,920
okay so the the three three would be

2232
01:37:06,229 --> 01:37:04,440
Wilson Xi'an and Bowser it's not clear

2233
01:37:09,709 --> 01:37:06,239
who the fourth one is

2234
01:37:12,530 --> 01:37:09,719
but here's Bowser so let's continue uh

2235
01:37:15,890 --> 01:37:12,540
valet writes Bowser found a crashed UFO

2236
01:37:17,930 --> 01:37:15,900
program during a massive audit of

2237
01:37:20,689 --> 01:37:17,940
classified projects

2238
01:37:24,950 --> 01:37:20,699
less than a handful of officials knew

2239
01:37:28,850 --> 01:37:24,960
about it in the period 1984 to 1985.

2240
01:37:32,990 --> 01:37:28,860
Bowser uncovered a bizarre special

2241
01:37:36,110 --> 01:37:33,000
Access program cover-up which this is

2242
01:37:38,950 --> 01:37:36,120
valet writing here surely violated every

2243
01:37:42,770 --> 01:37:38,960
classification executive order

2244
01:37:45,050 --> 01:37:42,780
regulation and Congressional rule I

2245
01:37:47,629 --> 01:37:45,060
really like the way valet described this

2246
01:37:49,910 --> 01:37:47,639
very comprehensive and very

2247
01:37:53,149 --> 01:37:49,920
um very definitive and I I think he is

2248
01:37:55,970 --> 01:37:53,159
certainly right here he goes on

2249
01:37:58,310 --> 01:37:55,980
he writes in his journal they

2250
01:38:01,550 --> 01:37:58,320
contemplated turning it over to justice

2251
01:38:05,870 --> 01:38:03,649
can you imagine

2252
01:38:07,970 --> 01:38:05,880
just like put yourself in this situation

2253
01:38:09,709 --> 01:38:07,980
for a second you have the Comptroller

2254
01:38:12,530 --> 01:38:09,719
General of the United States in the

2255
01:38:14,330 --> 01:38:12,540
mid-1980s doing an audit of the Pentagon

2256
01:38:17,450 --> 01:38:14,340
doing an audit of the special access

2257
01:38:19,850 --> 01:38:17,460
programs within the Pentagon finding

2258
01:38:22,790 --> 01:38:19,860
apparently this type of a program here

2259
01:38:24,050 --> 01:38:22,800
and and concluding you're doing things

2260
01:38:26,030 --> 01:38:24,060
that are really wrong and in fact

2261
01:38:28,430 --> 01:38:26,040
totally illegal and we're going after

2262
01:38:30,350 --> 01:38:28,440
you this is not right we're not going to

2263
01:38:32,629 --> 01:38:30,360
put up with this that's what he's

2264
01:38:34,490 --> 01:38:32,639
describing here we're going to find

2265
01:38:36,110 --> 01:38:34,500
we're going to delve more into this in a

2266
01:38:38,450 --> 01:38:36,120
moment and I think it's a bit more

2267
01:38:40,610 --> 01:38:38,460
complex than that but I think he's got

2268
01:38:42,229 --> 01:38:40,620
the fundamentals correct here and then

2269
01:38:44,450 --> 01:38:42,239
valet concludes he says the program

2270
01:38:53,110 --> 01:38:44,460
according to the reviewers had to do

2271
01:38:57,590 --> 01:38:55,550
interesting interesting let's bring him

2272
01:39:00,590 --> 01:38:57,600
back in jazz I don't know if you were

2273
01:39:08,870 --> 01:39:00,600
able to hear all of that but uh oh

2274
01:39:14,390 --> 01:39:11,590
um so this is interesting another person

2275
01:39:16,550 --> 01:39:14,400
claiming this reverse engineer program

2276
01:39:18,169 --> 01:39:16,560
that you know Dolan's been talking about

2277
01:39:20,330 --> 01:39:18,179
for a couple years now when it comes to

2278
01:39:22,970 --> 01:39:20,340
the Wilson Davis thing everyone kind of

2279
01:39:25,370 --> 01:39:22,980
poo-poos it at this point but now in

2280
01:39:28,970 --> 01:39:25,380
this new Forbidden Science Volume 5 of

2281
01:39:31,370 --> 01:39:28,980
Jacques valet he's basically saying that

2282
01:39:32,930 --> 01:39:31,380
yeah this is another individual that's

2283
01:39:35,629 --> 01:39:32,940
coming forward to say this reverse

2284
01:39:38,090 --> 01:39:35,639
engineering program exists and it's only

2285
01:39:41,030 --> 01:39:38,100
because of an audit Within These special

2286
01:39:43,070 --> 01:39:41,040
access programs that this is all coming

2287
01:39:44,810 --> 01:39:43,080
to light um what do you think what do

2288
01:39:46,850 --> 01:39:44,820
you make of this whole UFO crash

2289
01:39:49,189 --> 01:39:46,860
retrieval program

2290
01:39:52,189 --> 01:39:49,199
um mythology that's that's going on in

2291
01:39:53,629 --> 01:39:52,199
the UFO world we we don't know I mean

2292
01:39:56,030 --> 01:39:53,639
I'm sorry

2293
01:39:57,590 --> 01:39:56,040
I have a lot of respect for Jacques

2294
01:39:58,250 --> 01:39:57,600
Valley

2295
01:40:00,770 --> 01:39:58,260
um

2296
01:40:01,970 --> 01:40:00,780
a lot of people have been chasing this

2297
01:40:04,550 --> 01:40:01,980
but

2298
01:40:08,870 --> 01:40:04,560
I work as a journalist I write about

2299
01:40:11,570 --> 01:40:08,880
this all the time you know if we can't

2300
01:40:15,350 --> 01:40:11,580
get some sort of confirmation

2301
01:40:17,450 --> 01:40:15,360
that it remains an allegation and I

2302
01:40:19,250 --> 01:40:17,460
think that's an important word that

2303
01:40:21,950 --> 01:40:19,260
everybody should

2304
01:40:23,390 --> 01:40:21,960
keep an eye on a lot of people can

2305
01:40:25,790 --> 01:40:23,400
allege things

2306
01:40:27,110 --> 01:40:25,800
but they have to be able to prove these

2307
01:40:29,629 --> 01:40:27,120
things

2308
01:40:31,729 --> 01:40:29,639
and that's what we need that's what I've

2309
01:40:33,649 --> 01:40:31,739
been chasing so many other people have

2310
01:40:37,490 --> 01:40:33,659
been chasing

2311
01:40:40,970 --> 01:40:37,500
um you can go our mutual friend John

2312
01:40:45,050 --> 01:40:40,980
Greenwald has gotten so many documents

2313
01:40:47,689 --> 01:40:45,060
about all this suggestions hints

2314
01:40:49,850 --> 01:40:47,699
oh that could have happened there are

2315
01:40:51,709 --> 01:40:49,860
people definitely looking at it

2316
01:40:54,470 --> 01:40:51,719
I've published a whole bunch of things

2317
01:40:57,229 --> 01:40:54,480
about people looking at it

2318
01:40:59,270 --> 01:40:57,239
but did somebody actually get dragged

2319
01:41:02,510 --> 01:40:59,280
into a garage

2320
01:41:04,970 --> 01:41:02,520
and oh by the way here's Flying Saucer

2321
01:41:07,729 --> 01:41:04,980
go ahead put your hands on it

2322
01:41:10,550 --> 01:41:07,739
and here we're going to show you again

2323
01:41:13,370 --> 01:41:10,560
defy gravity

2324
01:41:15,830 --> 01:41:13,380
yeah we don't have it yet Ryan we do we

2325
01:41:18,290 --> 01:41:15,840
just we don't have it yet

2326
01:41:21,290 --> 01:41:18,300
and yeah

2327
01:41:23,149 --> 01:41:21,300
do people could could anyone have a

2328
01:41:26,750 --> 01:41:23,159
motivation

2329
01:41:30,290 --> 01:41:26,760
to go and tell a story like that if it

2330
01:41:36,649 --> 01:41:35,109
yeah I'm sorry I I guess I'm kind of uh

2331
01:41:39,830 --> 01:41:36,659
skeptic

2332
01:41:42,050 --> 01:41:39,840
it's like people have motivations to do

2333
01:41:47,330 --> 01:41:42,060
strange things all the time because I

2334
01:41:49,310 --> 01:41:47,340
cover politics people lie all the time

2335
01:41:50,530 --> 01:41:49,320
you know

2336
01:41:54,290 --> 01:41:50,540
um

2337
01:41:58,010 --> 01:41:54,300
you know bring us show us the dollars

2338
01:42:00,709 --> 01:41:58,020
you know bottom line you know somebody

2339
01:42:04,010 --> 01:42:00,719
come up with a document

2340
01:42:06,109 --> 01:42:04,020
I have spent the last uh three weeks

2341
01:42:09,950 --> 01:42:06,119
working on a project I talk with you

2342
01:42:12,950 --> 01:42:09,960
offline about Pine Gap in Australia you

2343
01:42:16,609 --> 01:42:12,960
know and there are so many stories about

2344
01:42:19,490 --> 01:42:16,619
that it all deals with the NSA nobody's

2345
01:42:23,810 --> 01:42:19,500
allowed to even talk about the NSA

2346
01:42:26,149 --> 01:42:23,820
uh until the late 80s the name was

2347
01:42:29,390 --> 01:42:26,159
completely top secret

2348
01:42:33,229 --> 01:42:29,400
right yeah but there's stuff out there

2349
01:42:36,530 --> 01:42:33,239
but we don't have the deliverables we

2350
01:42:37,790 --> 01:42:36,540
don't have it we we don't have the

2351
01:42:39,229 --> 01:42:37,800
documentation

2352
01:42:46,250 --> 01:42:39,239
so

2353
01:42:49,189 --> 01:42:46,260
do we have it yet

2354
01:42:52,250 --> 01:42:49,199
sorry I'm not willing to give any of

2355
01:42:54,109 --> 01:42:52,260
these people 100 Credence saying oh

2356
01:42:55,250 --> 01:42:54,119
you've already wrapped this up

2357
01:42:57,649 --> 01:42:55,260
no

2358
01:42:59,810 --> 01:42:57,659
hasn't happened yet

2359
01:43:02,810 --> 01:42:59,820
it hasn't and it hasn't happened for the

2360
01:43:06,229 --> 01:43:02,820
last 70 plus years welcome to the

2361
01:43:07,669 --> 01:43:06,239
ufology the land of anecdotal Welcome to

2362
01:43:10,850 --> 01:43:07,679
our world

2363
01:43:13,609 --> 01:43:10,860
I know man hey coming from the dude

2364
01:43:16,370 --> 01:43:13,619
known for just stories

2365
01:43:19,070 --> 01:43:16,380
um it's hard it's hard I don't ever you

2366
01:43:21,709 --> 01:43:19,080
know I I never expect people to just

2367
01:43:25,129 --> 01:43:21,719
believe anything I put out there in

2368
01:43:27,770 --> 01:43:25,139
terms of my books or the podcast I I

2369
01:43:29,870 --> 01:43:27,780
can't I I literally cannot

2370
01:43:31,609 --> 01:43:29,880
um for everybody else you and I have

2371
01:43:35,570 --> 01:43:31,619
discussed this before

2372
01:43:38,930 --> 01:43:35,580
my wife and I both we've seen five of

2373
01:43:42,109 --> 01:43:38,940
these friggin things okay we've seen

2374
01:43:44,810 --> 01:43:42,119
them right over where we live

2375
01:43:48,649 --> 01:43:44,820
does that mean I expect you to believe

2376
01:43:52,729 --> 01:43:48,659
me and say because I could be wrong that

2377
01:43:55,370 --> 01:43:52,739
could be something I don't know I don't

2378
01:43:57,010 --> 01:43:55,380
have an explanation what it could be but

2379
01:43:59,870 --> 01:43:57,020
I don't have any

2380
01:44:04,129 --> 01:43:59,880
documented evidence yeah and I have no

2381
01:44:05,990 --> 01:44:04,139
explanation for it but we're still we

2382
01:44:08,649 --> 01:44:06,000
really aren't that much

2383
01:44:11,510 --> 01:44:08,659
further forward than we were before

2384
01:44:14,450 --> 01:44:11,520
2017. I mean I've seen shed I can't

2385
01:44:16,970 --> 01:44:14,460
explain pardon my language

2386
01:44:19,070 --> 01:44:16,980
um and I don't

2387
01:44:20,930 --> 01:44:19,080
know of any science that would explain

2388
01:44:22,129 --> 01:44:20,940
what I saw

2389
01:44:24,410 --> 01:44:22,139
but

2390
01:44:27,109 --> 01:44:24,420
could it exist

2391
01:44:30,410 --> 01:44:27,119
man I just don't know about it

2392
01:44:32,629 --> 01:44:30,420
yeah yeah it's possible man it is

2393
01:44:34,430 --> 01:44:32,639
anything is possible yeah

2394
01:44:36,770 --> 01:44:34,440
awesome man well hey let's talk about

2395
01:44:39,770 --> 01:44:36,780
evidence like you just mentioned

2396
01:44:42,890 --> 01:44:39,780
evidence that we think

2397
01:44:45,709 --> 01:44:42,900
that the U.S military apparatus might

2398
01:44:47,930 --> 01:44:45,719
have but are not sharing with the public

2399
01:44:52,250 --> 01:44:47,940
this comes from your colleague over at

2400
01:44:55,550 --> 01:44:52,260
the debrief and that is Tim McMillan

2401
01:44:58,070 --> 01:44:55,560
um he recently came out with a story

2402
01:45:00,709 --> 01:44:58,080
over there and he also spoke to Vinnie

2403
01:45:03,709 --> 01:45:00,719
at disclosure team Vinnie Adams about

2404
01:45:05,810 --> 01:45:03,719
developments on the photos or videos of

2405
01:45:08,689 --> 01:45:05,820
the three unidentified objects shot down

2406
01:45:10,609 --> 01:45:08,699
in February so let me play this clip and

2407
01:45:12,530 --> 01:45:10,619
we'll come back and talk about this

2408
01:45:13,910 --> 01:45:12,540
aspect of everything yeah and you

2409
01:45:17,390 --> 01:45:13,920
mentioned the U2 there and we recently

2410
01:45:20,689 --> 01:45:17,400
saw the cockpit selfie uh showing the

2411
01:45:22,070 --> 01:45:20,699
Chinese balloon and uh why have we not

2412
01:45:23,990 --> 01:45:22,080
seen any other photos from these

2413
01:45:25,010 --> 01:45:24,000
incursions or incidents Tim what what do

2414
01:45:28,070 --> 01:45:25,020
you think

2415
01:45:31,550 --> 01:45:28,080
I don't that's weird and I'm glad that

2416
01:45:33,530 --> 01:45:31,560
you brought that up because you know I

2417
01:45:35,390 --> 01:45:33,540
talked to people who I know and trust

2418
01:45:37,010 --> 01:45:35,400
very well who who work in the

2419
01:45:39,109 --> 01:45:37,020
intelligence Community who have access

2420
01:45:40,430 --> 01:45:39,119
to the reports that came with it so they

2421
01:45:42,229 --> 01:45:40,440
weren't involved in the analysis or

2422
01:45:44,149 --> 01:45:42,239
directly in these incidents but they see

2423
01:45:46,250 --> 01:45:44,159
kind of the after paperwork because that

2424
01:45:48,050 --> 01:45:46,260
follows into their line and so they they

2425
01:45:50,030 --> 01:45:48,060
told me hey man I really think these are

2426
01:45:52,370 --> 01:45:50,040
just balloons most like the hobbyist

2427
01:45:55,910 --> 01:45:52,380
balloons you know we reported on it that

2428
01:45:58,550 --> 01:45:55,920
uh at least one perhaps all of them were

2429
01:46:00,709 --> 01:45:58,560
detective admitting our fvf radio

2430
01:46:02,450 --> 01:46:00,719
frequencies and so that's consistent

2431
01:46:04,129 --> 01:46:02,460
with hobby balloons and all this but at

2432
01:46:06,530 --> 01:46:04,139
the same time

2433
01:46:10,550 --> 01:46:06,540
there is still this weird air of secrecy

2434
01:46:12,530 --> 01:46:10,560
about it namely the videos you know the

2435
01:46:15,290 --> 01:46:12,540
images that they haven't shared with it

2436
01:46:17,209 --> 01:46:15,300
and I just recently found it I say that

2437
01:46:19,070 --> 01:46:17,219
I'll be sharing this for the first time

2438
01:46:20,990 --> 01:46:19,080
Vinnie right here

2439
01:46:23,930 --> 01:46:21,000
um you know I found out without any

2440
01:46:26,990 --> 01:46:23,940
Shadow doubt they have not shown uh

2441
01:46:28,370 --> 01:46:27,000
Congress any videos they have not shown

2442
01:46:30,530 --> 01:46:28,380
the Senate armed services or

2443
01:46:31,910 --> 01:46:30,540
intelligence committee videos of these

2444
01:46:33,770 --> 01:46:31,920
objects

2445
01:46:37,310 --> 01:46:33,780
prior to shoot down a dirty shoot down

2446
01:46:39,830 --> 01:46:37,320
they have not shown them whatsoever I

2447
01:46:43,189 --> 01:46:39,840
can say that for an absolute fact

2448
01:46:46,430 --> 01:46:43,199
that's weird and those lawmakers said

2449
01:46:50,450 --> 01:46:46,440
that's weird that is odd why won't they

2450
01:46:55,910 --> 01:46:54,050
it is weird but Jazz this kind of plays

2451
01:46:58,669 --> 01:46:55,920
into what you were talking about earlier

2452
01:47:01,189 --> 01:46:58,679
is the reason we're not seeing any of

2453
01:47:03,530 --> 01:47:01,199
this is the reason it's not even being

2454
01:47:04,790 --> 01:47:03,540
shared within Congress or with the

2455
01:47:06,830 --> 01:47:04,800
Senate intelligence committee and

2456
01:47:09,950 --> 01:47:06,840
whatnot um excuse me the armed services

2457
01:47:11,870 --> 01:47:09,960
committee uh politically motivated what

2458
01:47:14,030 --> 01:47:11,880
do you think about this this comment

2459
01:47:16,970 --> 01:47:14,040
that Tim made that no one's been shown

2460
01:47:19,669 --> 01:47:16,980
anything apparently

2461
01:47:20,709 --> 01:47:19,679
if you want to put it on a gradient

2462
01:47:24,290 --> 01:47:20,719
scale

2463
01:47:26,950 --> 01:47:24,300
one thousand to one percent

2464
01:47:31,189 --> 01:47:26,960
let's take two choices Ryan

2465
01:47:33,649 --> 01:47:31,199
oh we had video of something that was

2466
01:47:35,870 --> 01:47:33,659
clearly extraterrestrial there were

2467
01:47:37,250 --> 01:47:35,880
little green men or whatever phrase you

2468
01:47:39,770 --> 01:47:37,260
want to use the week

2469
01:47:41,470 --> 01:47:39,780
you know who would do something weird

2470
01:47:44,629 --> 01:47:41,480
or we

2471
01:47:49,430 --> 01:47:44,639
accidentally shot down a Boy Scout

2472
01:47:56,090 --> 01:47:53,030
um I'm going 100

2473
01:47:57,310 --> 01:47:56,100
000 to a million to one probably on the

2474
01:48:01,189 --> 01:47:57,320
letter

2475
01:48:03,290 --> 01:48:01,199
so yeah we don't we don't know and we're

2476
01:48:06,109 --> 01:48:03,300
not going to know uh the fact that we

2477
01:48:07,729 --> 01:48:06,119
don't know does not automatically

2478
01:48:11,990 --> 01:48:07,739
Translate to

2479
01:48:15,649 --> 01:48:12,000
oh we finally had evidence of E.T but we

2480
01:48:17,870 --> 01:48:15,659
shot it down and we couldn't find it in

2481
01:48:19,370 --> 01:48:17,880
the Great Lakes and we're really sorry

2482
01:48:23,030 --> 01:48:19,380
about that but we have to keep this

2483
01:48:24,770 --> 01:48:23,040
quiet well there's one story

2484
01:48:27,350 --> 01:48:24,780
um the other story is

2485
01:48:30,410 --> 01:48:27,360
wow we were really embarrassed about the

2486
01:48:32,030 --> 01:48:30,420
Chinese balloon that we knew was not E.T

2487
01:48:34,729 --> 01:48:32,040
he was Chinese

2488
01:48:38,090 --> 01:48:34,739
and we waited a long time to shoot that

2489
01:48:39,649 --> 01:48:38,100
down and then we shot down the Boy Scout

2490
01:48:42,350 --> 01:48:39,659
Troop balloon

2491
01:48:45,350 --> 01:48:42,360
and wow that would look really bad if we

2492
01:48:49,370 --> 01:48:46,729
um

2493
01:48:53,270 --> 01:48:49,380
do I need to go further to tell you my

2494
01:48:54,830 --> 01:48:53,280
opinion on this just do we know no we

2495
01:48:58,370 --> 01:48:54,840
don't know

2496
01:49:02,990 --> 01:48:58,380
but yeah that's probably what happened

2497
01:49:06,890 --> 01:49:03,000
that does not explain all the other UAP

2498
01:49:09,709 --> 01:49:06,900
observations real things these these

2499
01:49:11,930 --> 01:49:09,719
recent things that Tim is talking about

2500
01:49:14,149 --> 01:49:11,940
no

2501
01:49:16,850 --> 01:49:14,159
did you read the thing I did at the

2502
01:49:21,050 --> 01:49:16,860
debrief a while ago about when we

2503
01:49:25,550 --> 01:49:21,060
actually tried to shoot down real UFOs

2504
01:49:30,169 --> 01:49:25,560
yes and people died and we lost planes

2505
01:49:31,729 --> 01:49:30,179
yeah but somehow this year we shot down

2506
01:49:35,870 --> 01:49:31,739
three

2507
01:49:39,169 --> 01:49:35,880
they didn't even fire back

2508
01:49:41,689 --> 01:49:39,179
I think the older ones are more like oh

2509
01:49:44,090 --> 01:49:41,699
those definitely could be unidentified

2510
01:49:46,790 --> 01:49:44,100
things these were things where

2511
01:49:48,470 --> 01:49:46,800
embarrassed we shot down yeah that's

2512
01:49:50,870 --> 01:49:48,480
where I am right now man

2513
01:49:53,510 --> 01:49:50,880
I'm with you I'm with you you know we I

2514
01:49:55,970 --> 01:49:53,520
even had um Lieutenant Commander Alex

2515
01:49:57,830 --> 01:49:55,980
Dietrich on the show recently yes and

2516
01:50:00,709 --> 01:49:57,840
you know I straight up asked her great

2517
01:50:02,270 --> 01:50:00,719
job thank you thank you I I tried a very

2518
01:50:04,609 --> 01:50:02,280
limited time with her I had a million

2519
01:50:06,709 --> 01:50:04,619
questions we got to like maybe a third

2520
01:50:08,930 --> 01:50:06,719
of them but um you know I asked her like

2521
01:50:11,149 --> 01:50:08,940
what do you make of all that like the

2522
01:50:13,550 --> 01:50:11,159
whole three object shot down thing and

2523
01:50:14,450 --> 01:50:13,560
really all she could definitively say

2524
01:50:17,030 --> 01:50:14,460
was

2525
01:50:20,030 --> 01:50:17,040
um I trust that the pilots knew exactly

2526
01:50:22,010 --> 01:50:20,040
what these things were and they would

2527
01:50:24,229 --> 01:50:22,020
not shoot them down if they did not have

2528
01:50:26,990 --> 01:50:24,239
a positive identification on them trust

2529
01:50:28,189 --> 01:50:27,000
me yes on that so they definitely knew

2530
01:50:31,729 --> 01:50:28,199
what they were they'd probably

2531
01:50:34,010 --> 01:50:31,739
investigated it thoroughly um it's just

2532
01:50:36,350 --> 01:50:34,020
ah I don't know man it's just it's gonna

2533
01:50:39,109 --> 01:50:36,360
leave the conspiracy theorist so much

2534
01:50:41,090 --> 01:50:39,119
wiggle room to like create this whole

2535
01:50:43,550 --> 01:50:41,100
Roswell mythology in their heads again

2536
01:50:45,109 --> 01:50:43,560
because we're not recovering the debris

2537
01:50:47,570 --> 01:50:45,119
we're not you know

2538
01:50:49,430 --> 01:50:47,580
um showing any sort of photographic or

2539
01:50:51,410 --> 01:50:49,440
video evidence of these things and then

2540
01:50:53,870 --> 01:50:51,420
you have this Russian jet take down a

2541
01:50:56,629 --> 01:50:53,880
drone and we got this again it's just

2542
01:50:59,270 --> 01:50:56,639
the cycle of like frustration with all

2543
01:51:02,270 --> 01:50:59,280
of this and I just get so like

2544
01:51:07,270 --> 01:51:02,280
dizzied by all of it and excessive

2545
01:51:10,129 --> 01:51:07,280
security uh yeah good point yeah yeah

2546
01:51:12,290 --> 01:51:10,139
that's I couldn't put it better myself

2547
01:51:14,629 --> 01:51:12,300
competitive better myself

2548
01:51:18,169 --> 01:51:14,639
um hey let's move to our last clip

2549
01:51:21,109 --> 01:51:18,179
um we are in the home stretch here uh so

2550
01:51:23,629 --> 01:51:21,119
Jess did you see

2551
01:51:26,810 --> 01:51:23,639
um the video that Sean Cahill posted

2552
01:51:29,810 --> 01:51:26,820
from none other than Luis elizondo's

2553
01:51:33,109 --> 01:51:29,820
property of a possible UAP Bree did you

2554
01:51:34,490 --> 01:51:33,119
see that yeah okay so that video came

2555
01:51:35,810 --> 01:51:34,500
out

2556
01:51:38,270 --> 01:51:35,820
um you know there were some hoopla

2557
01:51:40,070 --> 01:51:38,280
online all about it and

2558
01:51:41,870 --> 01:51:40,080
um and Sean kind of Defending his

2559
01:51:44,930 --> 01:51:41,880
decision to put it out there blah blah

2560
01:51:48,709 --> 01:51:44,940
blah but now on the heels of that um

2561
01:51:53,149 --> 01:51:48,719
Sean Cahill recently was featured on um

2562
01:51:56,090 --> 01:51:53,159
on a show called UFO Hub on YouTube and

2563
01:51:58,310 --> 01:51:56,100
not only had he filmed a UFO at Luis

2564
01:52:01,430 --> 01:51:58,320
Alexander's property now he's claiming a

2565
01:52:03,649 --> 01:52:01,440
lifetime of UFO experiences and possible

2566
01:52:05,209 --> 01:52:03,659
alien abduction so I'm gonna go ahead

2567
01:52:07,250 --> 01:52:05,219
and play this clip and I'm sure we'll

2568
01:52:09,530 --> 01:52:07,260
have some stuff to talk about on the

2569
01:52:10,729 --> 01:52:09,540
other side before we wrap up hold on one

2570
01:52:12,290 --> 01:52:10,739
sec yeah

2571
01:52:13,970 --> 01:52:12,300
for the first few years that I was

2572
01:52:16,010 --> 01:52:13,980
working on this topic I was reticent to

2573
01:52:17,510 --> 01:52:16,020
talk about all the experiences I've had

2574
01:52:19,250 --> 01:52:17,520
I would talk offline with with

2575
01:52:20,629 --> 01:52:19,260
researchers or interviewers about them

2576
01:52:22,910 --> 01:52:20,639
but

2577
01:52:25,189 --> 01:52:22,920
um I was I was still subject to the

2578
01:52:27,770 --> 01:52:25,199
stigma and a little scared but

2579
01:52:29,570 --> 01:52:27,780
this is something when we talk about UAP

2580
01:52:31,729 --> 01:52:29,580
or the phenomenon this is something that

2581
01:52:33,530 --> 01:52:31,739
I've been experiencing since childhood

2582
01:52:36,470 --> 01:52:33,540
um I've had

2583
01:52:37,609 --> 01:52:36,480
I've had different craft as you and

2584
01:52:39,229 --> 01:52:37,619
people would say that I have seen

2585
01:52:40,550 --> 01:52:39,239
different shapes different interesting

2586
01:52:42,890 --> 01:52:40,560
experiences

2587
01:52:44,450 --> 01:52:42,900
lost time

2588
01:52:47,510 --> 01:52:44,460
um and what many people would

2589
01:52:50,209 --> 01:52:47,520
classically call abduction experiences

2590
01:52:51,890 --> 01:52:50,219
um due to the fact that I was a I was a

2591
01:52:54,590 --> 01:52:51,900
I was a

2592
01:52:57,050 --> 01:52:54,600
investigator trained forensics

2593
01:52:59,390 --> 01:52:57,060
investigator detective a police officer

2594
01:53:02,390 --> 01:52:59,400
in the military

2595
01:53:04,129 --> 01:53:02,400
to me my own stories are something that

2596
01:53:06,410 --> 01:53:04,139
that I have to keep in a certain little

2597
01:53:08,270 --> 01:53:06,420
bucket over here and I keep them fenced

2598
01:53:09,830 --> 01:53:08,280
off and it's only been the last couple

2599
01:53:12,169 --> 01:53:09,840
of years that I've allowed myself to

2600
01:53:13,669 --> 01:53:12,179
compare some of my experiences with the

2601
01:53:14,810 --> 01:53:13,679
research I've done and the things that

2602
01:53:16,250 --> 01:53:14,820
I've read

2603
01:53:18,229 --> 01:53:16,260
and

2604
01:53:20,629 --> 01:53:18,239
I dare say that I found myself more

2605
01:53:22,310 --> 01:53:20,639
confused than ever

2606
01:53:26,450 --> 01:53:22,320
um because there's there's still

2607
01:53:28,490 --> 01:53:26,460
something in my I'm not able to present

2608
01:53:32,629 --> 01:53:28,500
um I'm not confident enough confident

2609
01:53:35,510 --> 01:53:32,639
enough to tell details of my experiences

2610
01:53:37,910 --> 01:53:35,520
to other people yet because I'm not sure

2611
01:53:40,310 --> 01:53:37,920
of those details yet

2612
01:53:42,709 --> 01:53:40,320
um so I know that a lot of us

2613
01:53:44,450 --> 01:53:42,719
we have these experiences and we have

2614
01:53:46,250 --> 01:53:44,460
memories and and they seem to correspond

2615
01:53:48,290 --> 01:53:46,260
with other people's experiences and we

2616
01:53:50,990 --> 01:53:48,300
can we can do research that seems to

2617
01:53:53,149 --> 01:53:51,000
tell us meaning and origin and things

2618
01:53:55,189 --> 01:53:53,159
like that but I haven't reached a point

2619
01:53:56,930 --> 01:53:55,199
in my own experience with the phenomenon

2620
01:53:58,729 --> 01:53:56,940
where meaning

2621
01:54:01,550 --> 01:53:58,739
origin

2622
01:54:03,470 --> 01:54:01,560
Etc are very clear to me I try not to

2623
01:54:04,790 --> 01:54:03,480
step on other people's anecdotes and

2624
01:54:08,090 --> 01:54:04,800
experience but I have a hard time

2625
01:54:13,010 --> 01:54:08,100
accepting a great deal of ufology

2626
01:54:18,590 --> 01:54:17,390
okay so again I know it got it just

2627
01:54:21,050 --> 01:54:18,600
bleeds into everything we've been

2628
01:54:23,750 --> 01:54:21,060
talking about anecdotal give it to me

2629
01:54:25,669 --> 01:54:23,760
but um at the same time like what do you

2630
01:54:27,350 --> 01:54:25,679
okay

2631
01:54:29,390 --> 01:54:27,360
let me ask you this chance the video

2632
01:54:30,770 --> 01:54:29,400
well first let's go let's tackle that

2633
01:54:33,169 --> 01:54:30,780
first what did you think of the video

2634
01:54:34,850 --> 01:54:33,179
that Sean Cahill released do you have

2635
01:54:39,410 --> 01:54:34,860
any thoughts on it

2636
01:54:43,850 --> 01:54:39,420
it was a kind of interesting video yeah

2637
01:54:45,770 --> 01:54:43,860
I mean uh I tweeted about it at the time

2638
01:54:46,910 --> 01:54:45,780
you know it was

2639
01:54:49,490 --> 01:54:46,920
um

2640
01:54:52,990 --> 01:54:49,500
something low

2641
01:54:56,810 --> 01:54:53,000
definitely below the background

2642
01:54:59,570 --> 01:54:56,820
elevated ground area that seemed to be

2643
01:55:02,629 --> 01:54:59,580
moving fairly slow

2644
01:55:04,070 --> 01:55:02,639
um was there enough detail in it to do

2645
01:55:05,090 --> 01:55:04,080
anything with it

2646
01:55:09,109 --> 01:55:05,100
no

2647
01:55:11,030 --> 01:55:09,119
um

2648
01:55:13,550 --> 01:55:11,040
interesting but there's lots of

2649
01:55:15,830 --> 01:55:13,560
interesting videos all the time

2650
01:55:20,510 --> 01:55:15,840
um the testimony that came out

2651
01:55:24,290 --> 01:55:22,850
man I I have so much respect for this

2652
01:55:26,450 --> 01:55:24,300
guy

2653
01:55:28,729 --> 01:55:26,460
and I

2654
01:55:33,109 --> 01:55:28,739
I guess I'll come out and say I believe

2655
01:55:40,310 --> 01:55:35,629
um does that mean that we have some new

2656
01:55:42,830 --> 01:55:40,320
evidence to move forward and go oh well

2657
01:55:47,209 --> 01:55:42,840
this is cleared up now

2658
01:55:48,890 --> 01:55:47,219
um no no we don't uh

2659
01:55:51,970 --> 01:55:48,900
but

2660
01:55:54,950 --> 01:55:51,980
I hope that your viewers

2661
01:55:57,229 --> 01:55:54,960
realize that they're hearing this from

2662
01:55:59,930 --> 01:55:57,239
somebody and I've come on your show

2663
01:56:01,370 --> 01:55:59,940
we've talked about it before you you

2664
01:56:06,830 --> 01:56:01,380
have the links

2665
01:56:10,729 --> 01:56:06,840
I've seen stuff I videotaped things the

2666
01:56:13,070 --> 01:56:10,739
video was terrible obviously I don't

2667
01:56:18,649 --> 01:56:13,080
expect anybody to change their mind

2668
01:56:21,169 --> 01:56:18,659
based on it but I know what I saw

2669
01:56:23,629 --> 01:56:21,179
but that doesn't mean that anybody else

2670
01:56:27,050 --> 01:56:23,639
has to immediately go Oh well Jazz all

2671
01:56:29,629 --> 01:56:27,060
this so yeah well it's all settled it's

2672
01:56:31,250 --> 01:56:29,639
aliens you know or whatever

2673
01:56:33,890 --> 01:56:31,260
right

2674
01:56:36,649 --> 01:56:33,900
and I'm not trying to put myself in the

2675
01:56:40,669 --> 01:56:36,659
same place as Sean or anyone else

2676
01:56:44,750 --> 01:56:40,679
but he has an experience

2677
01:56:47,149 --> 01:56:44,760
that experience that he has described

2678
01:56:50,270 --> 01:56:47,159
it doesn't get us any closer to the

2679
01:56:54,229 --> 01:56:50,280
Finish Line nothing I experienced and

2680
01:56:56,330 --> 01:56:54,239
even videotaped gets us any closer to

2681
01:56:58,729 --> 01:56:56,340
the finish line

2682
01:57:01,129 --> 01:56:58,739
I know what my beliefs are

2683
01:57:03,290 --> 01:57:01,139
but I don't disrespect anyone who says

2684
01:57:05,870 --> 01:57:03,300
Jazz dude

2685
01:57:08,090 --> 01:57:05,880
that was clearly a pigeon

2686
01:57:11,629 --> 01:57:08,100
you know well I don't think there's a

2687
01:57:14,390 --> 01:57:11,639
pigeon but you're you're welcome to your

2688
01:57:15,290 --> 01:57:14,400
opinion you know

2689
01:57:18,350 --> 01:57:15,300
um

2690
01:57:20,689 --> 01:57:18,360
I'm sorry I I know these are respected

2691
01:57:23,089 --> 01:57:20,699
people I get it

2692
01:57:25,790 --> 01:57:23,099
but they haven't delivered anything I've

2693
01:57:27,229 --> 01:57:25,800
never delivered anything

2694
01:57:36,950 --> 01:57:27,239
I

2695
01:57:38,930 --> 01:57:36,960
observations that are scientific

2696
01:57:41,149 --> 01:57:38,940
but I don't have

2697
01:57:45,169 --> 01:57:41,159
conclusions for you that I can go wait

2698
01:57:47,750 --> 01:57:45,179
I've solved the problem here we go boom

2699
01:57:50,089 --> 01:57:47,760
no I don't have it and you know what

2700
01:57:52,729 --> 01:57:50,099
they don't have it either we're we're

2701
01:57:54,169 --> 01:57:52,739
really not any closer to the Finish Line

2702
01:57:55,370 --> 01:57:54,179
in my opinion

2703
01:58:00,609 --> 01:57:55,380
yeah

2704
01:58:04,010 --> 01:58:00,619
have to stop looking at this

2705
01:58:05,990 --> 01:58:04,020
disclosure I hate the word because I'm I

2706
01:58:08,270 --> 01:58:06,000
if there's anything I've learned in

2707
01:58:12,470 --> 01:58:08,280
ufology it's that disclosure does not

2708
01:58:14,330 --> 01:58:12,480
exist it's not a tangible thing you can

2709
01:58:17,169 --> 01:58:14,340
have a sighting I can have a sighting

2710
01:58:19,310 --> 01:58:17,179
Sean can have a lifetime of experiences

2711
01:58:20,990 --> 01:58:19,320
hundreds of thousands of people all over

2712
01:58:22,310 --> 01:58:21,000
the world are seeing things they can't

2713
01:58:24,770 --> 01:58:22,320
explain

2714
01:58:26,810 --> 01:58:24,780
it's as simple as that

2715
01:58:29,450 --> 01:58:26,820
it doesn't mean that the government is

2716
01:58:31,910 --> 01:58:29,460
going to say and I use that term loosely

2717
01:58:33,709 --> 01:58:31,920
government yeah you're all right all of

2718
01:58:36,649 --> 01:58:33,719
you yup this is real we know about it

2719
01:58:38,510 --> 01:58:36,659
that's just not a thing it's not going

2720
01:58:41,089 --> 01:58:38,520
to happen it's not going to happen guys

2721
01:58:44,089 --> 01:58:41,099
I'm sorry what I think is most important

2722
01:58:47,750 --> 01:58:44,099
in what I've learned in my ufology is

2723
01:58:51,169 --> 01:58:47,760
that I I had my sighting I have my own

2724
01:58:54,770 --> 01:58:51,179
thoughts and beliefs on what it is and

2725
01:58:56,689 --> 01:58:54,780
I have been validated in terms of what I

2726
01:58:58,430 --> 01:58:56,699
believe I saw

2727
01:59:00,589 --> 01:58:58,440
um that journey is going to be different

2728
01:59:03,350 --> 01:59:00,599
for every single person they may never

2729
01:59:05,750 --> 01:59:03,360
get to that point I've reached it and

2730
01:59:08,209 --> 01:59:05,760
I'm okay with not knowing what it is I

2731
01:59:10,609 --> 01:59:08,219
saw but I feel validated and Vindicated

2732
01:59:11,870 --> 01:59:10,619
that I did see something that I couldn't

2733
01:59:13,250 --> 01:59:11,880
explain

2734
01:59:16,490 --> 01:59:13,260
um I'm never going to get the answers

2735
01:59:19,910 --> 01:59:16,500
that I want in ufology I'm okay with it

2736
01:59:23,050 --> 01:59:19,920
we might we might maybe and that's

2737
01:59:26,089 --> 01:59:23,060
somebody might somebody out there Ryan

2738
01:59:28,310 --> 01:59:26,099
may have the goods

2739
01:59:30,050 --> 01:59:28,320
I I don't know that they do I'm not

2740
01:59:33,050 --> 01:59:30,060
trying to imply to anybody that I have

2741
01:59:36,589 --> 01:59:33,060
inside sources yeah somebody out there

2742
01:59:40,810 --> 01:59:36,599
may have some documentation

2743
01:59:44,390 --> 01:59:40,820
they have some really incontrovertible

2744
01:59:47,750 --> 01:59:44,400
video photographic

2745
01:59:50,810 --> 01:59:47,760
evidence or results of Investigations

2746
01:59:53,689 --> 01:59:50,820
that were hidden if that happens

2747
01:59:57,589 --> 01:59:53,699
then I think that helps everybody who is

2748
01:59:59,750 --> 01:59:57,599
an experiencer but yes yeah but we're

2749
02:00:04,189 --> 01:59:59,760
not there yet we don't know that that

2750
02:00:06,709 --> 02:00:04,199
exists we it it could just not be

2751
02:00:11,689 --> 02:00:06,719
I know I saw something that I can't

2752
02:00:14,149 --> 02:00:11,699
possibly explain five times but

2753
02:00:15,589 --> 02:00:14,159
no we we don't know man and I don't know

2754
02:00:18,649 --> 02:00:15,599
that you and I are ever going to know in

2755
02:00:22,310 --> 02:00:18,659
our lives and that makes me sad

2756
02:00:25,250 --> 02:00:22,320
but I think it's still worth the effort

2757
02:00:27,770 --> 02:00:25,260
to keep searching and see if we can find

2758
02:00:30,010 --> 02:00:27,780
somebody who has the evidence that's my

2759
02:00:33,350 --> 02:00:30,020
goal personally not professionally

2760
02:00:35,629 --> 02:00:33,360
personally personally I like that I like

2761
02:00:38,570 --> 02:00:35,639
that man yeah we're all on our own

2762
02:00:40,510 --> 02:00:38,580
Journeys you know I had I guess recently

2763
02:00:44,209 --> 02:00:40,520
um red pill junkie was on and he said

2764
02:00:47,209 --> 02:00:44,219
you can take a million different roads

2765
02:00:51,169 --> 02:00:47,219
that lead to the same path and that

2766
02:00:52,970 --> 02:00:51,179
destination is nowhere inevitably that

2767
02:00:55,310 --> 02:00:52,980
was a great interview by the way oh my

2768
02:00:58,189 --> 02:00:55,320
God thank you thank you he was wonderful

2769
02:01:00,770 --> 02:00:58,199
and I really sat and ruminated on that

2770
02:01:01,850 --> 02:01:00,780
one thing he said almost for the entire

2771
02:01:03,669 --> 02:01:01,860
night

2772
02:01:06,050 --> 02:01:03,679
um the fact that like

2773
02:01:08,450 --> 02:01:06,060
I am happier

2774
02:01:10,970 --> 02:01:08,460
in ufology now than I've ever been

2775
02:01:13,910 --> 02:01:10,980
because I've accepted that I'm never

2776
02:01:15,530 --> 02:01:13,920
going to get that one huge answer I

2777
02:01:17,450 --> 02:01:15,540
always thought maybe I'll get it like

2778
02:01:20,570 --> 02:01:17,460
you said maybe there will be something

2779
02:01:22,370 --> 02:01:20,580
that comes along that answers everything

2780
02:01:25,430 --> 02:01:22,380
um personally I think you know whatever

2781
02:01:27,950 --> 02:01:25,440
that next chapter is in

2782
02:01:29,930 --> 02:01:27,960
um existence you know when I leave this

2783
02:01:31,250 --> 02:01:29,940
Mortal coil maybe I'll get some of those

2784
02:01:33,470 --> 02:01:31,260
answers

2785
02:01:35,870 --> 02:01:33,480
um but right now man like living in that

2786
02:01:38,450 --> 02:01:35,880
Journey living in that mystery

2787
02:01:41,209 --> 02:01:38,460
um is what is keeping me going not

2788
02:01:43,189 --> 02:01:41,219
trying to get that one final answer but

2789
02:01:47,570 --> 02:01:43,199
just those kind of little pit stops on

2790
02:01:50,089 --> 02:01:47,580
the way and um ufology for you know for

2791
02:01:53,450 --> 02:01:50,099
it not changing a lot in the past 70

2792
02:01:55,070 --> 02:01:53,460
plus years uh for me personally it has

2793
02:01:57,950 --> 02:01:55,080
changed a lot

2794
02:02:00,830 --> 02:01:57,960
um in terms of my own personal like you

2795
02:02:04,370 --> 02:02:00,840
said um own personal kind of beliefs and

2796
02:02:07,070 --> 02:02:04,380
and and and Social Security numbers yeah

2797
02:02:09,589 --> 02:02:07,080
the person you're happy with that you

2798
02:02:13,070 --> 02:02:09,599
and I are both on the same journey I

2799
02:02:15,830 --> 02:02:13,080
started way after you I went as you know

2800
02:02:18,830 --> 02:02:15,840
more than 60 years I never saw a goddamn

2801
02:02:20,810 --> 02:02:18,840
thing you know you started way earlier

2802
02:02:23,810 --> 02:02:20,820
in your life but you know what we're all

2803
02:02:26,209 --> 02:02:23,820
on the same path and I refuse to give up

2804
02:02:27,550 --> 02:02:26,219
the possibility that if we search long

2805
02:02:30,050 --> 02:02:27,560
and hard enough

2806
02:02:33,709 --> 02:02:30,060
there might be some evidence

2807
02:02:35,810 --> 02:02:33,719
maybe we'll find it but sad to say to

2808
02:02:38,570 --> 02:02:35,820
all of your viewers

2809
02:02:40,430 --> 02:02:38,580
we haven't found it yet

2810
02:02:43,070 --> 02:02:40,440
we're going to keep looking we're going

2811
02:02:45,109 --> 02:02:43,080
to keep well we will you and I will go

2812
02:02:48,649 --> 02:02:45,119
on this journey together

2813
02:02:50,689 --> 02:02:48,659
absolutely absolutely man hey we took

2814
02:02:52,669 --> 02:02:50,699
quite a journey tonight

2815
02:02:54,589 --> 02:02:52,679
um that's all I've got Jazz this has

2816
02:02:57,410 --> 02:02:54,599
been a jam-packed episode of somewhere

2817
02:02:59,089 --> 02:02:57,420
in the live stream I'm so happy that you

2818
02:03:03,649 --> 02:02:59,099
made it and we're able to do this with

2819
02:03:05,750 --> 02:03:03,659
me tonight but um before we go here you

2820
02:03:07,970 --> 02:03:05,760
teased a little bit about what you're

2821
02:03:10,250 --> 02:03:07,980
working on over at the debrief

2822
02:03:12,050 --> 02:03:10,260
um is there anything else you can um

2823
02:03:15,470 --> 02:03:12,060
sort of elaborate on when it comes to

2824
02:03:18,169 --> 02:03:15,480
Pine Gap in this um developing I guess

2825
02:03:19,490 --> 02:03:18,179
investigation you're doing over there oh

2826
02:03:23,270 --> 02:03:19,500
yeah the

2827
02:03:28,430 --> 02:03:23,280
um not a lot we've got a few things

2828
02:03:32,149 --> 02:03:28,440
but Pine Gap is just such a black hole

2829
02:03:36,770 --> 02:03:32,159
and it's controlled entirely by the

2830
02:03:39,350 --> 02:03:36,780
United States uh with the NSA which was

2831
02:03:44,810 --> 02:03:39,360
it was illegal to even talk about the

2832
02:03:46,790 --> 02:03:44,820
NSA until 1989 and it it's man

2833
02:03:50,149 --> 02:03:46,800
I hope I find something if I do you'll

2834
02:03:54,530 --> 02:03:50,159
be one of the first to know but beyond

2835
02:03:56,209 --> 02:03:54,540
some like Australian Reddit threads with

2836
02:03:58,790 --> 02:03:56,219
people talking about things they found

2837
02:04:00,109 --> 02:03:58,800
I've gone through all the newspapers

2838
02:04:02,629 --> 02:04:00,119
um in Australia

2839
02:04:04,729 --> 02:04:02,639
from the period there's rumors there's

2840
02:04:07,729 --> 02:04:04,739
allegations

2841
02:04:09,770 --> 02:04:07,739
wow if if anybody wants to get in on the

2842
02:04:12,490 --> 02:04:09,780
journey with me and Ryan

2843
02:04:16,070 --> 02:04:12,500
go start googling and searching Pine Gap

2844
02:04:18,589 --> 02:04:16,080
because there's something really weird

2845
02:04:21,709 --> 02:04:18,599
happened in there and has been for a

2846
02:04:22,970 --> 02:04:21,719
very long time but the government of the

2847
02:04:24,070 --> 02:04:22,980
United States the government of

2848
02:04:27,109 --> 02:04:24,080
Australia

2849
02:04:29,390 --> 02:04:27,119
they've done a really good job of just

2850
02:04:31,609 --> 02:04:29,400
burying this entirely nobody's even

2851
02:04:34,129 --> 02:04:31,619
allowed to talk about it

2852
02:04:35,510 --> 02:04:34,139
so that's one of the things I'm working

2853
02:04:38,149 --> 02:04:35,520
on we got some other things we can talk

2854
02:04:39,410 --> 02:04:38,159
about in the future but yeah uh just

2855
02:04:42,109 --> 02:04:39,420
throw that out there as a bone for

2856
02:04:43,669 --> 02:04:42,119
everybody if you want to be part of the

2857
02:04:46,970 --> 02:04:43,679
journey that Ryan is on like

2858
02:04:50,870 --> 02:04:46,980
investigating and finding information go

2859
02:04:53,270 --> 02:04:50,880
look into Pine Gap because if you go do

2860
02:04:56,689 --> 02:04:53,280
a hard search you're going to realize

2861
02:04:59,830 --> 02:04:56,699
there's a huge black hole out there and

2862
02:05:03,169 --> 02:04:59,840
there's a lot of weird stuff going on

2863
02:05:05,570 --> 02:05:03,179
absolutely man grant levock our resident

2864
02:05:06,530 --> 02:05:05,580
Australian UFO researcher get on that

2865
02:05:08,390 --> 02:05:06,540
man

2866
02:05:11,510 --> 02:05:08,400
um I know Nick redfern's looked into it

2867
02:05:13,010 --> 02:05:11,520
too Jazz so he might be yeah about it

2868
02:05:15,649 --> 02:05:13,020
okay good

2869
02:05:18,589 --> 02:05:15,659
um yeah I I've looked briefly into it

2870
02:05:20,990 --> 02:05:18,599
and it was frustratingly hard to find

2871
02:05:22,550 --> 02:05:21,000
anything so I I commend you very little

2872
02:05:24,830 --> 02:05:22,560
right yeah

2873
02:05:26,689 --> 02:05:24,840
yeah oh man well I can't wait if and

2874
02:05:29,149 --> 02:05:26,699
when the time comes you could share more

2875
02:05:30,950 --> 02:05:29,159
I can't wait for that but um last but

2876
02:05:33,649 --> 02:05:30,960
not least where can we find everything

2877
02:05:36,410 --> 02:05:33,659
you're up to my man

2878
02:05:38,209 --> 02:05:36,420
um you can go to hotair.com you can go

2879
02:05:40,970 --> 02:05:38,219
to Mysterious Universe or right there

2880
02:05:44,649 --> 02:05:40,980
you can go to the debrief

2881
02:05:47,870 --> 02:05:44,659
um debrief.org uh I write there

2882
02:05:49,910 --> 02:05:47,880
and you can always find me on Twitter at

2883
02:05:52,790 --> 02:05:49,920
Jay Sean I'm generally following Ryan

2884
02:05:55,669 --> 02:05:52,800
and we're talking about ulcer so weird

2885
02:05:58,370 --> 02:05:55,679
crap that most people think is crazy so

2886
02:05:59,810 --> 02:05:58,380
you know jump into the conversation join

2887
02:06:02,750 --> 02:05:59,820
the madness

2888
02:06:06,290 --> 02:06:02,760
join us guys Google gobble one of us one

2889
02:06:08,750 --> 02:06:06,300
of us exactly thank you my friend for

2890
02:06:10,430 --> 02:06:08,760
tonight I'm Gonna Let You Go have the

2891
02:06:12,890 --> 02:06:10,440
rest of your night and I'm gonna debrief

2892
02:06:15,229 --> 02:06:12,900
with the audience here but um thank you

2893
02:06:17,750 --> 02:06:15,239
thank you for your insights tonight and

2894
02:06:20,270 --> 02:06:17,760
uh we will talk to you soon my man

2895
02:06:23,810 --> 02:06:20,280
thank you Ryan always a pleasure awesome

2896
02:06:28,910 --> 02:06:26,330
all right guys there he is Jess Shaw

2897
02:06:31,669 --> 02:06:28,920
joining us on episode nine of somewhere

2898
02:06:33,350 --> 02:06:31,679
in the live stream uh my special thanks

2899
02:06:35,510 --> 02:06:33,360
to him for sticking around for the whole

2900
02:06:36,589 --> 02:06:35,520
episode it was a marathon we covered a

2901
02:06:38,149 --> 02:06:36,599
lot tonight

2902
02:06:40,550 --> 02:06:38,159
um so I want to thank everyone in the

2903
02:06:43,070 --> 02:06:40,560
chat I know you guys are always having a

2904
02:06:45,109 --> 02:06:43,080
really colorful conversation in here and

2905
02:06:46,609 --> 02:06:45,119
I'm probably missing a lot of it so I do

2906
02:06:48,470 --> 02:06:46,619
apologize

2907
02:06:50,510 --> 02:06:48,480
um but again I want to thank all of our

2908
02:06:54,589 --> 02:06:50,520
supporters tonight Jimmy the earthlane

2909
02:06:56,930 --> 02:06:54,599
James Craig uh Nicholas McKenzie and

2910
02:06:59,149 --> 02:06:56,940
paranormal pixie really do appreciate

2911
02:07:00,890 --> 02:06:59,159
the support guys if you can't help the

2912
02:07:04,010 --> 02:07:00,900
show out financially not a problem

2913
02:07:06,890 --> 02:07:04,020
whatsoever never expected please just

2914
02:07:08,810 --> 02:07:06,900
like the video share the video let

2915
02:07:11,629 --> 02:07:08,820
someone in your life know that we do

2916
02:07:13,430 --> 02:07:11,639
this every Sunday talk about UFOs and

2917
02:07:16,850 --> 02:07:13,440
get weird here on somewhere in the live

2918
02:07:18,649 --> 02:07:16,860
stream and speaking of that getting

2919
02:07:19,330 --> 02:07:18,659
weird

2920
02:07:23,689 --> 02:07:19,340
um

2921
02:07:26,810 --> 02:07:23,699
in just a couple hours finally a new

2922
02:07:29,870 --> 02:07:26,820
volume of witnesses witnesses wow

2923
02:07:31,070 --> 02:07:29,880
witness accounts is premiering

2924
02:07:33,050 --> 02:07:31,080
um this is our episode this week of

2925
02:07:35,390 --> 02:07:33,060
somewhere in the skies where you the

2926
02:07:37,910 --> 02:07:35,400
listeners and viewers tell your personal

2927
02:07:40,070 --> 02:07:37,920
UFO stories I've been pushing this

2928
02:07:41,990 --> 02:07:40,080
episode back unfortunately for a little

2929
02:07:44,390 --> 02:07:42,000
while because I've been having such

2930
02:07:45,770 --> 02:07:44,400
awesome interviews that I had to drop

2931
02:07:47,930 --> 02:07:45,780
before that

2932
02:07:50,390 --> 02:07:47,940
um so finally it's here it should be

2933
02:07:53,510 --> 02:07:50,400
dropping in the next hour or so

2934
02:07:55,310 --> 02:07:53,520
um midnight UK time so yeah be on the

2935
02:07:58,250 --> 02:07:55,320
lookout for that we said we've got some

2936
02:08:00,350 --> 02:07:58,260
awesome stories in there and um yeah

2937
02:08:02,870 --> 02:08:00,360
these are some of my favorite episodes

2938
02:08:05,870 --> 02:08:02,880
where you guys take the steering wheel

2939
02:08:08,270 --> 02:08:05,880
and it's your episode

2940
02:08:10,850 --> 02:08:08,280
um so yeah yeah be on the lookout for

2941
02:08:13,189 --> 02:08:10,860
witness accounts premiering in just a

2942
02:08:15,109 --> 02:08:13,199
couple hours do I have anything else to

2943
02:08:18,350 --> 02:08:15,119
tease

2944
02:08:21,169 --> 02:08:18,360
um not really

2945
02:08:23,450 --> 02:08:21,179
um I have a new book coming out in just

2946
02:08:26,810 --> 02:08:23,460
a few months I just got the cover design

2947
02:08:29,750 --> 02:08:26,820
from our um our book cover artist so

2948
02:08:32,089 --> 02:08:29,760
that was really cool I am so freaking

2949
02:08:34,189 --> 02:08:32,099
excited to show you guys

2950
02:08:36,229 --> 02:08:34,199
um the new book coming very soon from

2951
02:08:38,149 --> 02:08:36,239
Beyond The Fray publishing so be on the

2952
02:08:41,030 --> 02:08:38,159
lookout for more news on that coming in

2953
02:08:42,950 --> 02:08:41,040
the near future sorry I'm so blurry

2954
02:08:44,510 --> 02:08:42,960
um my my camera is working overtime

2955
02:08:45,229 --> 02:08:44,520
tonight

2956
02:08:47,510 --> 02:08:45,239
um

2957
02:08:49,490 --> 02:08:47,520
I also look like a ghost

2958
02:08:51,709 --> 02:08:49,500
any of you paranormal investigators

2959
02:08:54,470 --> 02:08:51,719
might want to investigate me

2960
02:08:56,629 --> 02:08:54,480
um let's see here what am I missing just

2961
02:08:59,030 --> 02:08:56,639
looking at the chat

2962
02:09:00,470 --> 02:08:59,040
um yeah so yeah be on the lookout for a

2963
02:09:02,750 --> 02:09:00,480
new book coming soon from somewhere in

2964
02:09:05,089 --> 02:09:02,760
the skies and um I was on last week's

2965
02:09:06,470 --> 02:09:05,099
episode of Ancient Aliens so you can

2966
02:09:08,089 --> 02:09:06,480
check that out on the History Channel

2967
02:09:10,850 --> 02:09:08,099
and

2968
02:09:12,770 --> 02:09:10,860
um so I got guys it was a jam-packed

2969
02:09:15,649 --> 02:09:12,780
episode we went over two hours I think

2970
02:09:18,109 --> 02:09:15,659
that's a first so um I'm gonna say

2971
02:09:22,250 --> 02:09:18,119
goodnight to all of you thank you thank

2972
02:09:23,629 --> 02:09:22,260
you um please like subscribe share and

2973
02:09:25,070 --> 02:09:23,639
uh check out the new episode of

2974
02:09:27,589 --> 02:09:25,080
somewhere in the sky is premiering very

2975
02:09:28,970 --> 02:09:27,599
soon the video version of the somewhere

2976
02:09:31,490 --> 02:09:28,980
in the skies podcast episode will

2977
02:09:34,490 --> 02:09:31,500
Premiere tomorrow night Monday night so

2978
02:09:37,010 --> 02:09:34,500
be on the lookout for that as well and

2979
02:09:39,229 --> 02:09:37,020
other than that

2980
02:09:41,330 --> 02:09:39,239
um let's see here just gonna check out

2981
02:09:43,370 --> 02:09:41,340
the chat one more time Nicholas Ryan

2982
02:09:45,950 --> 02:09:43,380
Sprague when will those UFO tarot cards

2983
02:09:47,750 --> 02:09:45,960
be available to everyone uh you're

2984
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speaking of red pill junkie Our Guest

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who is creating a UFO Tarot deck uh good

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question I don't think there's a

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definitive answer yet Nicholas on that

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so hopefully we'll find out more

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information soon I know Kickstarter

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supporters who supported the project are

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going to be the first to get those

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before they like kind of go on the

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market or whatnot

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um but yeah

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um just uh check out red pill junkie on

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Twitter um you can follow them over

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there and I'm sure he'll update people

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as time goes on Douglas Sprague hello

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hello

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um I I didn't get to say hi to you

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earlier hello to you sue Sprague Christy

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Sprague the whole Sprague family

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watching here live every Sunday truly do

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appreciate it guys love my family love

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them they support my weird ass

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it's great

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Dylan says good night good night reptile

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be well good night good night guys such

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a pleasure such an honor as always to be

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here with you Sunday nights at summer in

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the live stream and as always keep your

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feet on the ground but never stop

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searching somewhere in this guys take

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care

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